Yeah I get the gist just don't get how it applies in this case. I'm not disagreeing I'd just like some meat on the bones / some theories. I would have thought they'd put 20m through one of their profitable overseas companies by falsifying many sales and then take the money back as a clean 20m profit. This almost seems like the opposite in that they put 20m in in one chunk and it gets pissed away lots of random items of expenditure which I don't understand how it would get back to venkys Unless as Wilsden said the money doesn't get to the club and sits in VLL but would that not require the whole club finance function and auditors being either complicit or negligent? If only we had a data dump from our accounting software, there's enough accountants / business savy people on here who could trawl through it and find something suspicious but unless you're either in the finance dept or on the audit team or a hacker, you'll never see it.

I'd love them to be money laundering but I just don't see how it fits in this case. The £20million they send a season is presumably sat in their bank account already and ready to use and therefore already clean? Also I'm not sure how it gets back to them once it's gone through the club.

Hopefully someone sabotages the deal our end. Mess up the forms again so the transfer gets rejected. Then watch venkys and waggot squirm without their 20million

If say we got 25m for Wharton. In theory we could go send 10m to running costs splash 5/6m on a quality striker. Then have 10m to bolster everywhere else. Wed possibly be able to mount a late play off charge. HOWEVER none of that will happen. I also fear that if we get a big chunk of money and don't spend it, it'll disappear next time venkys are in front of a judge asking to send more money the answer will be "no you've just got 20m use that"

It would be madness if we turn down bids for the likes of Rothwell and Diaz and let them go on a free yet accept anything other than big mega money for a kid who wants to stay and would benefit from staying for another season or two

This time last year I thought we were sat on £40million + of future transfer fees between Philips and Wharton what with new contracts and blooding youth in to the team. Are we really looking at not breaking 20m for both?

I rate Nat Phillips but he doesn't get his chance at Liverpool cos he cant dick about at the back so potentially a dangerous signing for us. Defensively solid though.

Aren't Newcastle having to sell Trippier to clear some FFP headroom? Surely that would put Wharton down the pecking order in terms of potential transfer activity.

If there is genuine tangible interest in the club that is massive and could sway the "what would we do without the venkys" crowd I'd just love to know what they want with the club. Are they too embarrassed to sell?

He must be dreaming of a very long career.

It's too expensive to buy a PL club these days. Not everyone has a spare 3 - 4 billion to buy man utd. A championship club is perfect for someone who *only* has a couple of hundred million to spend on a play thing. Last year we were a couple of good signings from a solid promotion push, we have a cat 1 academy and a proud history. Like others have said, the players we've let go on a free added to the calibre of academy player we seem to bring through, we're a few good decisions away from having a good revenue stream from player sales. Out of the championship clubs, we've got as much going for us as any other club.

Ah so we might have to pull out?

Must have a good work ethic - I've heard he gets everywhere.

Has anyone else ever dreamt of winning £200m on the euro millions, buying Rovers and personally escorting Waggot to the door with his belongings and P45?

Note that it was done on a whiteboard so they didn't have to waste a sheet of paper.

1st February 22:59 - I hear they're about to sanction a war chest that can only be spent this window

Like I've said before if we were treading water with an outside hope of promotion then having the venkys paying that bills is the lesser of two evils. They're stripping us of anything and everything and it's depressing. You take the ups and downs of being a fan but when you can no longer see any ups on the horizon I'd rather just put the club out of its misery.

I don't know if its been shared or not on here before but does anyone know the stats for all the teams that have gone into administration how many have ceased to exist and how many have survived in some form? Even Bury reemerged in the 9th tier.

I don't mind that line when we were treading water and there was a chance that with a fair wind we could make the play offs but this last 12 months they've slammed the club into reverse and there's no sign of it easing.

It's like being kidnapped and saying "Arrest them? They've been feeding me ever since they had me tied to this radiator, without them I'd be dead"

Another example of what just 12 months has done to us. This time last year that would have been like saying to a kid "stop eating chocolate cake or we'll shred your homework"

This! All of last season we were lauding the upgrade from Lenihan to Hyam. When he got injured it was seen as a big blow to us. Now he's come back half fit into a struggling side he's an absolute disgrace and not a patch on Lenihan.

I'll set off now and drive him there myself for half that fee. Is he showing any signs of being on the pitch this season?

Was watching liverpool fulham last night where Cairney, Reed and Tosin were on display for Fulham and Elliot involved for liverpool and thought about doing a slightly different 11 of players we've had since 2012 now playing in the premiership. Got depressed when deciding between Raya and Kaminski and gave up.