Garrett is having an outstanding game

Kipre just punched Gallagher in the face right under the refs nose.. Nothing. Un-fucking-real!

The commentary team praising the strength of their striker for a few two handed pushes on Hyatt- expert analysis at its finest. The standard of refs is atrocious at this level. Stamp someone in the bollocks- yellow card. Throw a ball at someones head- straight red. Absolutely shocking. I think Garrett's had an outstanding half, tenacious footballer. Dack is good on the ball, but looks like a man that's had two ACL injuries when closing down- saying that, think he's had a great half when in possession. Brereton hasn't been in the game at all, nor has Gallagher. Switching Gallagher for Markanday and moving Brereton into the middle isn't a bad shout. I think I'd wait for Dack to tire a bit more and then drop him in Dacks position. I really like the look of Markanday; fast, skillful and a great work-rate. If Vale got a chance then he certainly deserves a go.

I'd flog Brereton, tap Southampton up for Armstrong + money deal. Then use that cash to invest in our centre mid. Surely teams like Wolves/Southampton et.al must have some good quality centre mids floating around in their reserves.

Does anyone know if I can pay a tenner and watch tonights game on NOWTV?

I've no beef against Buckley, never been that impressed though, just seems to saunter around the pitch- Wharton's the same. I never understood how people came to the conclusion that Buckley was a replacement for Rothwell. He was the best ball carrying midfielder in the division. A fast, aggressive, dynamic midfielder that could glide past people with ease. He's everything that Buckley isn't. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Rothwell, with his driving runs created space for other players by pulling the opposition out of position. We've nobody like that now. Bunch of soft, square passing, languid plodders.

I think Markanday looked sharp, hungry and very promising against Forest. Very unfortunate to get subbed. Two wingers, two strikers, 3 centre mids. Be direct, work the ball out wide, cross it, let the midfield then push on. We don't have the ability to pass it out from the back due to our inept, weak midfield that can't play on the half-turn. Even pump it long, stretch the game and play off knock-downs- whatever. We just don't have the personnel to be passing it out. I'd like to see. Kaminski Wharton- Ayala - Hyam Travis Buckley Morton Markanday Dolan Brereton Gallagher

I'd hate to be a striker with the midfield we have. It's appalling. 70% of our strikers game is chasing and pressing defenders. We rarely cross it or knock decent balls over the top or in the channels. Even if you do win something, you play it back to Buckley who dillies and dallies then plays it backwards. Worst set of CM's I've seen at the club.

Weak, languid, backward passing midfielders. I don't know who they think they are but the lack off effort and urgency is shocking. Buckley, Morton and Wharton would be nowhere my first team.

We are so lightweight in centre mid, it's embarrassing. Buckley, Morton, Wharton are all carbon copies of each other. Weak, like to slow play down and play it backwards. They all also lack any sort of physicality. It means our forwards are starved of the ball and our defence has no out-let as long we persist in passing it out. Non of them can play on the half turn, they get the ball square and play it back to their defender. I really miss Rothwell and Bradley Johnson. We urgently need reinforcements in the middle of the park. It shocks me how many people think we are fine in the middle and any more would block the progression of the youngsters. I don't care about the youngsters. You bring in better players that can take us forwards, then those young lads need to raise their game too. I don't think any of them are good enough, weak, slow, backwards passing chuggers. The way the stroll around the pitch belies their lack of ability. You've got to be busting your balls, winning tackles, spinning with the ball and creating things. Just not good enough. Good defensively, Good attackers, but whilst we persist with that tosh in the middle of the park both ends of the pitch will suffer. Let's see if JDT recognises this and addresses in January.

Great share that, slowmo. Sounds like we were left in a right mess. I thought Mogga prided himself on these scouting operations- I could be wrong but didn't he say a European scouting network was being implemented etc? Hopefully this group can contribute and help us dig up a few diamonds.

Still don't think we've looked anything special against an average Wales side.

To add to this, I also think you need men that can carry and dribble past their man. By beating a man you move players out of position and create space and angles for passes. We don't have many/if any of that type of player. Just zip it around square and into feet.

We have a good defence, and two good forwards but an appalling lightweight midfield, lack pace, creativity and snap. We are punching way above our weight as the xg table shows. How JDT has got this group to third in the table is a miracle. I expected us to be in a relegation battle I think we're that poor in the middle. But it seems we have a way of getting results. When we come up against a decent pressing side, we get smashed. Our pedestrian, skinny, small, sluggish, deep lying play makers can't find outlets or carry the ball when put under pressure. They play it back. Our back four then have limited options and end up looking like mugs. I think we've got a bottom 5 midfield. It's awful.

We have a good defence, and two good forwards but an appalling lightweight midfield, lack pace, creativity and snap. We are punching way above our weight as the xg table shows. How JDT has got this group to third in the table is a miracle. I expected us to be in a relegation battle I think we're that poor in the middle. But it seems we have a way of getting results. When we come up against a decent pressing side, we get smashed. Our pedestrian, skinny, small, sluggish, deep lying play makers can't find outlets or carry the ball when put under pressure. They play it back. Our back four then have limited options and end up looking like mugs. I think we've got a bottom 5 midfield. It's awful.

Strongly agree, pal. Posted earlier the same thing.

On another note, I think we're pretty solid at the back. We just need to play direct. We simply don't have the personnel at present to play attractive passing football unfortunately.

I was shot down earlier in the season for suggesting we're very weak in cm. I got told 'We've Travis, Buckley, Wharton, Morton' who'd you drop?' I'd drop them all. Travis: Limited but does a job. Wharton: Should be used from the bench in choice games Morton/Buckley: Decent players but incredibly lightweight Wharton, Morton and Buckley are all ball playing centre mids. Non are blessed athletically, non are any good at carrying the ball. So we're left with a very undynamic, physcially weak, pretty slow midfield. It wouldn't be as bad if we had electrically fast forwards and could play a bit more directly but we don't. I'd like to see us bring in someone in the mould of Rothwell and an experienced physical leader like Johnson was. As it stands I think we're well punching above our weight.

I can tell you right now you are wrong! I've been testing formations and tactics on Football manager, and I can assure you this works. Currently 12th in the Premiership after 4 games in my second season.

Vale has to be dropped. Szmodic onto the bench along with Wharton.. Dacks a physical little bugger. Don't see why he couldn't mix it in the middle. Let him roam when we have the ball. You could even let Gallagher drop a bit and press (which he does well) then pivot off Dack. 4-3-3 GK: Kaminski DL: Pickering DR: Brittain DC: Ayala DC: Hyam MC: Travis MC: Morton MC: Dack (Roaming when we have the ball) AML: Brereton AMR: Hedges ST: Gallagher S1: Eastham S2: Wharton S3: Buckley S4: Szmodic S5: Markanday S6: Hirst S7: Wharton

Nobody else think we're woefully short in centre mid? Morton, Wharton, Buckley are carbon copies off each other to varyiKhad Bradley Johnson and to a lesser degree even Davenport. I think we're very limited in there now in terms of mixing it up. We can't control games and are fairly predictable. I'm a massive fan of having players that carry a threat. That put the opposition on the back foot. I forgot about Khadra- another player that gives the opposition something to think about. Just a very 'meh' side. Massively punching as shown by the xg table. Finish around 17th imo. Saying that, for once we have a solid defence so you never know.

Vale looks so sluggish. Way off the pace. Offering absolutely nothing. Needs subbing. I also think we're really short in centre mid. Hook Vale, Dack off Brereton. Feed it into Dacks feet and off we go. We're missing a Bradley Johnson in the middle.

I'll live in South America for a few hours then. 🤣

Anyone know if this is on RoversTV? Can't find it.

Would love to see Joe Rothwell in an England shirt. Absolutely dire stuff. Foden looks good. But what's with the other players passing the balls square instead of infront, puts players on the back foot. Shit to watch.