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Yes Stuart. It was disingenuous and rude to the members you were referring to. But you knew that anyway...

Yes. Exactly! ??

Ok mate ??

I’m not trying to justify anything. I’m just offering an informed alternative to your theory. I have no desire to change you or anyone. But if you can’t see that you are the dark to Chaddys light then god help you. Your previous post was decent until you omitted resale potentials. Just admit it. Do yourself a favour and leave the condescending iPhone X chat mate. In addition to the constant ‘lol’s’ it’s really not becoming of your pragmatic, well informed but ultimately self made image.

I agree he backs himself over the long term. It’d be much safer for him to buy tried and tested looking at the picture short term (Eg Murphy, Etuhu, Best etc)

There’s two ways you’re out here. Firstly Waghorn and Grabban will likely be on much more (30-40k) but I appreciate you we’re responding to another post. Second and most importantly you missed out the potential resale value of all those players. So let’s assume all three in your example have a decent season. 15 goals in all comps, team lose in the playoffs) Based on their ages, Waghorn and Grabban are the same value. Realistically they’re only going to be sold for the same or a touch more if they go up. However put a young player like Brereton or Gallagher on there and their value is ticking upwards constantly. If all three players had poor seasons the depreciation is still quicker on the older models. If those three were able to have fantastic seasons scoring 25 goals firing their respective teams into the PL then again then the likes of Brereton would be worth £30m (Grealish & sessegnon) money. Whilst you’d still not get much more for Waghorn and Grabban who are now considered ‘Championship’ strikers. the guaranteed resale value adds further weight as Waghorn and Grabban won’t be worth a carrot in 4yrs regardless of their successes between now and then. As they’ll be deemed too old / ageing. Unlike a 23yr Old Brereton. Brereton at £8m + smaller wages + an increased potential of a) getting your money back or b) turning a significant profit. As long as you trust your judgement. Which the manager obv does.

Not the case. Wages are not linked to the transfer fee. Wages are grown usually with success over time and / or grow significantly when the Premier League touches them. So most young players are on relatively low wages unless they’ve played for a PL club. Yes. 100% The wages debate is a big one. Bamford, Waghorn etc will be earning £30-40k PW now...top earners at our place now £20k? Brereton offered £10-15k over 5yr contract is a great offer for him.

Id say it’s you and the others who are making the biggest assumptions. You’re assuming we can’t afford it. Assuming that it’s costing us a fortune. We have no idea how good he is or can potentially be. But our manager must rate him highly and the Forest fans desperately don’t want to lose him. Would I spend the money on other players? Possibly. Would I be ecstatic to sign a young prodigee for £8m with someone else’s money? Abso-bloody-lutely!!

There are a lot of people on here who seem genuinely concerned about spending Venkys money. The £8m fee will likely be spread across the term of the deal and be dependant on success etc. More importantly, if the usually rather frugal Mowbray is keen and the Forest fans are desperate not to lose him...then what’s the problem?

?????? Stalker!! Haha - though we could use a man with your skill set to pull all the ‘pessimists’ who said we had no money to spend! (Assuming pessimists is a reasonable description now that it’s ok to call the other group the ‘optimists) ???? sane thing as you pal. Only change ‘positively’ with ‘negatively’ then you’ve cracked it.

Not necessarily true. Loan or permenant the fee is the fee no matter how it’s carved up. You usually pay less to be fair. Because the selling club have decided to cut their losses

Yup, got that impression. That deals possibly agreed but the selling club are waiting to get one in before they release...?

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16439347.permanent-priority-for-rovers-boss-in-the-loan-market/ Interesting. Looks like we’re chasing a CB, ST and CM all on loans with a view to permenant deals at Christmas.

Never understood why fully grown men use the word lol.

Looks fantastic. Just bought a house in Bolton. But more than likely going to Wigan. ??

Lads, jeez!! We haven’t signed anyone with a view to owt!! IF and it’s a big IF TM signs Brereton for £6m then how’s about we just trust his judgement? Bearing in mind not a single person on here has even seen the lad play and, more importantly they’re not spending your money anyway!!

Unless turns out be worth £30m in 12 months time!!

I think it’s fair to say that the permenant window went with a whimper. Although I have to say that I thought Rothwell did great when he came on and baring in mind the potential of Davenport who was very well thought of at City we MAY live to regret being so down about the window so far.. However, where I do think many are getting it completely wrong is with the loan market. I can see why because historically we were in the elite and loans very rarely pay dividends at that level. But for Blackburn Rovers 2018 in the 2nd tier with a finite budget the loan window represents the absolute best chance we have of getting the best quality. Not only that, but the ones who work out, you can usually buy (if you can afford them) but if you can’t afford them then you’ve done bloody great to have them in your team for a period of time. A ‘try before you buy’ option. Also, once the permenant window has gone reality sets in. Mark Hughes may have believed Gally was worth £7m until last Thursday but now he’s got a player on his books he doesn’t want and the player doesn’t want to be there. It’s time to cut their losses...not saying we are in for him but that situation will be a stark reality across the country at the minute. Including the likes of Brereton, Chapman and Maddison...the balance tips towards us. I’ll reserve judgement and it will take some pretty amazing business to recover from a frustrating window. But let’s see..

The situation is as unclear than its ever been since Mowbray came to the club. As much as you’d like to, please don’t bend the rhetoric to fit your argument. You made another point before saying it was the “worst performance” you’d seen including Coyle. Assuming you weren’t here for the Kean era when we went three home games without a shot on target? Or if you remember a time where Akpan and Lowe were our midfield linchpins? Assuming also that you didn’t come to our first two home games in League 1 either? We were off the pace on Saturday for the first 30 minutes and then grew into a game where the 8th best team in the league needed their keeper to make 4 (Dack free kick, 2 x DG one on one & Rothwell rocket) great saves and an mom performance to stop us from trouncing them. No one is happy with the transfer situation and come Sep 1st I’m sure there will be an autopsy. What worries me is that we had money to spend but were unable to spend it. But now is not the time to simply make stuff up.

Anyone who watched the match today. A match where we played against last seasons 8th placed team. A game where the opposition keeper was undoubtedly their mom. Will feel quietly confident that we are going to be fine this year.

Apart from the first 25 mins I thought we grew into the game and played well. DG was unlucky and could’ve had two or three on another day. Defence looked comfortable overall. That was Bells best perf fore us imo. Smallwood not good enough. Bennett and Palmer fantastic. Palmer very comfortable on the ball. Quick and potentially excellent. Rothwell was very promising too. Need another option up front. Mid play Bennett CM in front of Smallwood. We’re a decent team. We’ll be fine.

Jesus...I’m reeled back in to the transfer window pt2!! Deadline day stank the house out for me. I’m happy to believe that we have specific targets and that we have a cash budget for transfer fees BUT now I need to be convinced that we’re not being spun a yarn from Waggot and (unbelievably) Tony Mowbray. As much as I love the guy for what he’s done for my beloved club I KNOW footballers and the industry. Managers work tirelessly to make sure they never hand their bosses any change back after a window. Why wouldn’t you spend your budget? For what it’s worth I’m not blaming Venkys for Thursdays utter clusterfuck. That has to be on SW and TM. Fully believe there will be loans. Need them to be ‘with a view’ to prevent my bullshit-o meter going haywire. The only contextual soother is that it’s obvious how hard it’s been for everyone in this window. And, even the clubs around us who’ve done business (Bolton, Wigan, Ipswich) haven’t done anything great imo. I’d prob only take Garner and Edwards from the whole lot.

There should be no excuses and no cliches imo. The window so far has been...underwhelming. Do I think we’d go down with this squad? No? Is it better than the one which went down? Yes, I believe it is. Just about. I do know one thing. You have here one of TM’s staunchest supporters BUT if we don’t sign some pretty decent players on loans with a view then I smell a rat. That just wouldn’t add up. It’d mean that he’s ‘refused’ to spend his budget for two windows in a row.

Surely to GOD the Brereton bid isn’t blind!? They must have already spoken to him and had an idea from the club that they’re a) willing to sell and b) at what price-ish...if not then a bid at 4pm is piss poor and they will know it!