We’re going to have to agree to disagree on Mowbrays transfer dealings. You have valid points but in the main I disagree with most of them. I’ve explained exactly why I think he’s been great in the transfer market so far (sales and purchases in the context of success). Iv even accepted what I believe to be his failings but to say he’s failed there is beyond me. I’m not going to change your minds and neither are you going to change mine. ?

My point still stands. The success of the team over the past 18 months has been effected positively by Mowbrays signings. All of the players I have mentioned have contributed and that’s a fact. No one is saying that they’ve been perfect but the ‘mainly miss’ point is ridiculous imo.

I think TM is about the most honest manager we’ve ever had. I don’t know why he’s not playing him but he’s said enough about the situation to prevent me from thinking there’s some cynical sub plot. From what I hear BB played a lot of games early on at forest due to injuries? Maybe if we’d had multiple, long term injuries in this area we would have played him more?

Ahhhh so what’s your point? That Coyle’s recruitment is the reason for our success? Maybe Lamberts? Or that one game (Saturdays) is accountable for the managers whole tenure. Dack, Armstrong, Smallwood, Antonsson, Samuel, Caddis and Bell all played a role in last years promotion. The first three on that list were arguably pivotal. This season, Armstrong, Brereton, Reed, Rothwell and Palmer have all scored or assisted thus showing a direct impact on the team performance. Whilst I personally think Rodwell has also made a decent enough start. I don’t get how narrow minded this argument is. It’s really simple, we don’t get promoted last season without the players mentioned above. And we don’t make the start we have this season without the impact of the others Iv mentioned. We know this because they’ve directly effected our matches in terms of goals and assists. Just because some of them signed this season aren’t regulars doesn’t mean they’re bad signings. He’s openly said he expects the likes of Rothwell, Brereton and Davenport are signings that will benefit us over a long period. In all of his reign I can only think of Whittingham who came with a rep, likely on decent money and failed. We’ve never had any bad apples brought in either. No rumblings in the dressing room... AND in the middle of all this we currently have (arguably) the best player in Championship on our books who was signed for £750k and will likely go for £20-25m in the summer. That’d be enough for most fans. Obvs not ours! ???

Jones was a curious case. I watched him bully a peak Drogba at Ewood Park aged 18. There was nothing gonna stop that lad from being the best CB on the planet. Injuries and possibly too much too soon killed him. Had a good career but definitely underachieved. Intersting points you make about Lowe and Hanley being thrust in too soon. I also think Hoilett was trusted too soon. That guy had some skills. Has never really hit the heights. Dunn and Duff were definitely introduced slowly. The other thing about them was that it wasn’t until 2 or so years had passed that they were then expected to change games. Perhaps because we had lots of good players back then. Maybe the biggest issue with throwing young players in is their mental strength in dealing with the expectation? Maybe that’s the reason he’s taking things slowly with BB. His interviews suggest it...though I don’t know the answer.

Opinions are exactly that. They’re just a persons thoughts. But the validity of those opinions are tangible. SAF made mistakes but his success was primarily based on how well he dealt with bad apples and replaced players giving him longevity. His success was a barometer of his ability in the transfer market. TM is no different and his transfer business has shaped his progress so far, which has been very good. If we fail to progress towards the Premier League then his prowess in the transfer market is wide open as well as the other facets. IMO

Ok, so my opinion is that I’d love to see more of Brereton. The club are very excited about him and I value the opinions of the people I know who rate him. (I haven’t been able to make my own judgement because he hasn’t played much) I can therefore empathise with people wanting to see more of him. But I stop short of making myself beleive there is only one possible, cynical reason for it. As Iv said before, I would have bought another mainline striker in the summer as well as BB. I look at every success story in there and the teams always have several different goal scoring options. I genuinely believe we would’ve been 5/6pts better off had we done so. I suppose they thought they’d have Samuel who has Championship experience but still. They should’ve addressed that imo. So yes 100% a striker would be my priority. I want to see BB play up front and I’d pick him if Graham were injured.

He’s played his way in by doing well. But that’s a good thing isn’t it? That the likes of Rodwell and the others have increased his standards? I still think he’ll move on as he’s suggested. Because ultimately he knows he’s 5th choice.

Mowbray has played Lenihan, Mulgrew, Williams and Rodwell before him this season. The only reason he played recently was because TM refused to play two left footed cb’s with both Lenihan and Rodwell injured. He’s been in the press this week claiming that he’s looking at moving on. Because he’s not playing.

Downing is now 5th place defender. Samuel was replaced by £7m BB Smallwood - We signed Reed and Davenport (who’s been injured) and tbf to Smallwood he’s fighting hard to keep his place. Bell is young and was bought to develop into a championship player. Caddis has gone. You make a great point initially but those players are and will be removed through the season. He’s openly said that the players are under no illusion as to what standard they need to be at to stay in the team. Even the likes of Bennett and Mulgrew.

You’re just embarrassing yourself mate. We’ve had to sit and listen to you drone on and on about why it’s been so crap. I offer my opinion and provide reasoning for why I believe it and you answer “nonsense”...so who is stifling the messageboard here? Stoo getting so upset, accept that there are people out there who see things different to you and move on ??

It’s really not bizarre mate. He’s 19 and 3 months into his time at Ewood. If it was Bamford Etc then I’d fully understand the confusion. We’ve prob not even paid a fee for him yet and the £7m will likely be spread over his 4/5 year deal. The team has done well with no major injuries in those forward positions so he’s been limited to sub appearances etc. If we get to the end of the season then I can see why people would begin to question it. Having said that if we sign another striker (which I believe we need either way) then there’s a chance that we’ve had a great season and still used BB sparingly then I wouldn’t be surprised. Theyre SOOOO excited about this lad. But that doesn’t mean they have to throw him in now.

You’re completely overthinking this mate. All I have done is disagreed with a few on here with regards to what I believe are inaccurate assumptions. History tells us that every time that happens on here it causes mayhem but I don’t see why that should stop me giving my opinion. Of course TM has made mistakes. But you are talking here about him being poor (5/10) in the transfer market plus the notion that there is something cynical about why BB isn’t playing which imo is ludicrous. Especially when we’ve been so successful during that time and the manager is so open. Add to this that I do actually have some insight, makes me feel compelled to give my opinion. If you don’t like it then put me on ignore. Have you or the boys ever stopped to wonder whether people want to read your constant moaning and cynicism about everything no matter how well things are going? Probably not because it’s a messageboard and a messageboard is about opinions right? Well you have yours and I have mine!

Completely agree. If we want to go up then long term we need to improve at CB, LB, 2 x DM plus 2 x AM’s (we don’t play with wingers but I’d like pace) Robinson from Preston? I still believe that we’ll try to get a mainline striker (loan), Reed and Chapman permenant this window following Brereton perm.

Now that guy is an absolute crank!! He had even more wild ideas than some on here! ??

I hate listening to people who form opinions to fit their own narrative without having the knowledge or actually looking at the evidence. So I guess we’ve all got to put up with people. Its a message board after all. Just opinions.

Knew it!!

Wow - I stand shoulder to shoulder with this guy. 100% nailed. This is the type of opinion you only usually hear from football people. You in / been in the game mate?

Fits the profile and age. Would hit the ground running. ??

53 apps in 2 seasons for forest. 10 apps for Rovers in just short of half a season. Sounds about the same ratio....fully expect him to start playing more when the manager believes he’s ready, but yeah...