Maybe to Venkys, but we as fans aren’t bothered about resale. We just want the best players possible playing for us, right?

What??? A permenant signing of this calibre would cost us £7m - £10m....which we can’t afford. But seriously, other than resale value, what is the difference for us?

He’s going to be playing for us this season. So other than resale value, what’s the difference? More importantly, IF we were actually looking to purchase him he would be far too expensive. So isn’t loaning him actually an amazing option? We’re getting the services of someone who’s arguably better than Dack for a fraction of what he’s worth....how can anyone find a negative in that? ??‍♂️

We’ve just signed a player who’s probably better than our best player pal - cheer up!

Oh Eeyore, when are you ever going to lighten up!? ???

That is honestly the biggest contradiction ever. Unbelievable.

I think the people complaining about the negative vibe on here are doing so because there’s nothing to be negative about really. Not until the window closes. Rovers are in a positive place, the players are working hard, the manager is a great fit for the club and his message has never changed. He’s happy with the budget and has maintained he wants 4 permanent signings and a couple of loans. Yes, he hoped to do his business early on all managers do but that wasn’t meant to be. Maybe the prices were high and he expects them to reduce towards the end of the window. I can definitely see us doing a cut price deal for Armstrong on deadline day. He’s not wanted there and hasn’t even gone on tour with them. Similarly, I can still see us doing cheaper deals for Bauer and Chapman too who are into the last year of their contracts. When you look at the team we fielded against Everton, that team is good enough to finish mid table in my opinion. The reason we’re loaning these lads is because there’s no way we could afford them. And as the window has not shut and TM hasn’t suddenly come out saying they’re not signing anyone else and he’s having to sell his best players then most of us are happy, if not a little impatient.

I would actually agree with you. I like old fashioned wingers too, I just don’t think TM does. As I mentioned earlier, even when he has a winger in his ranks he plays them on the opposite flanks...lets see

Absolutely, but surely he’d play Bennett and Bell...who would fit that mould perfectly.

I think it’s pretty clear that TM would love to play three at the back. (3-4-1-2) But systems depend on context. Three at the back is perfect if you are having to defend and then break on teams. Your three becomes five with two sat in front of it. Then when you attack, the wing backs get forward and you can overload the opposition in midfield with forward runners. Sheff United play this perfectly. The main problem last year was that we had too much possession and teams sat back which leaves you susceptible to the counter attack when you have three at the back. Hence why teams like Man City don’t play it. I do feel that those who are desperate to see ‘natural wingers’ are likely to be disappointed as neither system (3-4-1-2) or (4-2-3-1) utilises wingers in a traditional way. Even the likes of Chapman and Conway who could be classed as ‘natural wingers’ were used on the left instead of the right. This is because ‘wide’ players are now expected to sit 15yrds off the byline in ‘the hole’ between fullback and cb. Their roles have changed from getting chalk on their boots to forwards who are encouraged to drift out to inside the box as oppose to the traditional in to out. This leaves space out wide for the fullbacks to attack in order to create an overload. Mowbray played Armstrong, Samuel, Antonsson and Payne in those wide attacking positions last season. None of them are considered wingers. I agree that we need players who can carry the ball with pace in those attacking areas (hence the Palmer signing). But ultimately I think he wants fluidity in those attacking roles not out and out wingers.

Fair enough... The length of his deal is what it is. The truth of the matter is that it allows us to punch above our weight as we could not afford to buy Palmer or pay his full wages. From everything I’ve read he can play on either wing or through the middle but I’m not sure it really matters these days. I don’t think there are any ‘natural’ wingers out there anymore. Even the ones who used to be considered ‘natural’ now play on opposite wings and in ‘the hole’.

I can’t believe we’ve been waiting for transfer news for weeks, only to get news of a potentially fantastic addition which is followed by 5 pages of discussions about...QPR!! ???

I know something. I just want quality. Kasey Palmer is exactly that. He’s MUCH better than Chapman, Armstrong, Wildschut, Edwards or any others that have been linked and may or may not have gone anywhere else...so whether he plays 20 or 200 games for us he’s an improvement on what we have. I’m happy with that.

He’d be more likely to play in one of those three attacking midfield positions (In a 4231). iv seen him play live and on the tv. He’s direct, quick, skilful - miles better than anything we have other than Dack. Miles better than Chapman, Payne, Antonsson etc. The Derby fans are bereft. Don’t know what’s happened there but general consensus is that he’d walk into their team!!

Kasey Palmer is CLASS! Wow!

I think we should be looking to replace the wingers and DG with better players from the start. But I agree that we need another couple of starters for the following reasons. CB - in case we play 3 at the back. ST - to create competition. I don’t think you can have too many goal scorers in your squad

Agreed re the quality of players needed.

The team that went down would’ve finished mid table at the ratio it was collecting points under TM. I think it would have enough to survive in the Championship. Having said that I’ll be gutted if we don’t sign the forwards we need.

Haha - sound!! FYI - It’s true btw, check it with any of the ‘real’ ITK’s and they’ll tell you the same.

If I told you that several people (who have met with / worked for) the owners have told me that Venkys are ALWAYS willing to spend more would you believe me?

Interesting point. But you wouldn’t need to have trialists if you knew specifically what you wanted...

At what point have I passed my opinion off as fact? And when have I jumped down peoples necks? I have tried to apply some context by suggesting that it would be better to wait until the end of the window to judge it...in fact that the worst thing Iv said is that there is a ‘general negative rhetoric’...haha Meanwhile, I have been called a ‘happy clapper’ a ‘weirdo’ as well as been mocked in terms of the relationships I have in football. I’m a Rovers fan to my core. I won’t be dragged into the negativity on here and because of that I don’t fit in.

No pal, that’s an OPINION. You really struggle with this stuff hey?

A bit of lighthearted banter mate. Relax