Jack's vision was for one of the best clubs in the country, a regular in Europe and commanding fans from across Lancashire (before Fleetwood, Morecambe and Stanley's rise). Like it or not we are not that club. We do not need and would be embarrassed by another Jack Walker stand. I don't think this is going to happen in the next decade (probably next few decades) but if it did... I would be in favour of something truly unique that would get people keen to stay in it (hotel/entertainment complex is a must for revenue). When I think of different stands, I think of Bristol Rovers. Not just a cuboid with blocks of seats and executive boxes. Of course, that particular stand is lower league and we can/should do better. Like this but not necessarily the same shape:

Was too knackered to post when I got back last night but here's some thoughts, moans first : Nice ground in general if a little hard to reach! The exception being the away stand. No hot water in the toilets, kiosk out in the rain (decent pie though). No standing allowed on the (sort of) concourse. Straight to your seats if you don't want to get wet (1 hour+ to go before kick-off). Needs re-building to enter the 2000s. To the knuckle-dragging mouth-breather on the coach: We don't care about your opinion on hobknobs or the likelihood of making the club or more beer or how you can't pronounce foreign names. We just want to relax in peace and get home. Talk to your friends normally or SHUT THE **** UP!!! "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Suppose that goes for my moaning too... Those gripes aside, the football was excellent. Truly excellent. Charlton fans all seem to agree we outclassed them easily. They started very well but, after 10 minutes, we were the better team by miles. Walton did pull off blinders out of nowhere but I stress OUT OF NOWHERE. We could easily have scored more. Midfield bossed it. Samuel terrorised them; a superb lone-striker performance. It wouldn't be us if there weren't a few little negatives! Bell keeps kicking it out of play when he means to kick it inside. Brereton looked willing and has definitely improved but still looks like he can't control the ball (cutting into the box but then out for a goal kick rather than squaring it being a glaring example). A point at Brentford would do us very nicely. A loss and the gap widens again with less time left. Come on!

Can't speak for this one but, last year, I went as a member of the 1875 Club. At that meeting, at least one boycotter was there and asked for his opinions directly by Waggott. The fact that nothing has been done subsequently is a separate issue but invitations are not confined to 'Rovers ra ra ra' (what even does that mean) fans.

"Food is a bit pricey now and the service is not so good." "Tough. Here's some freebies to shut you up." "How about some well-planned ideas to improve things?" "That would be awkward/pricey/involve planning so we're not going to attempt them." "Our squad doesn't seem to be improving." "We'd banked on flogging our one saleable asset at the end of the season on the assumption nothing would change over the course of half a season." Rovers are really a club with ambition to drive forward!

I do go on the opposition's boards to hear a different view of our players and style after a game. The most common views are often: 1) "One of the most boring teams in the league." 2) "I wish our players closed down like Blackburn." 3) "Their CB (Lenihan) was a beast." Also, it is vey noticeable how well set up this site is in comparison. Like said above, so many threads with a couple or no replies saying exactly the same thing. There can be as many as 10 threads during the game! There also seem to be the arguments between the more 'excitable' members who always see a 4-0 win and those can't stand anything about the current manager.

Therein lies the rub. "If he could control the ball like a footballer, he'd be alright..."

I sit in the Riverside close to the Blackburn End and didn't hear a peep of this supposed criticism. No chance Mowbray heard it.

I too thought it would be tough but I too think Downing by a mile.

Can we please delete the last few pages mods? TRANSFER THREAD!!!

I was sat in the middle-ish and heard no boos when he was subbed. I heard a bit of an ironic cheer which I've heard many times when a player deemed to be playing poorly goes. Likely there was someone quite boorish who shouted obscenities as there is at every football game. Not acceptable but it happens. The idea that the fans were all rabidly going for his throat seems to have picked up but is not what I experienced. I heard groans when he lost the ball on several occasions but again not in any way unusual that fans react negatively to things not going well. If he was upset, it may have been personal frustration than any 'abuse'. Some have immediately jumped on other fans with a starting premise that seems to be based off twitter updates. Have we any reference to this abuse from the club? Did he in fact hear any of it? Too many assumptions....

What struck me most about today was not the individual errors all through the team all game long; it was the general lack of desire to improve. Most just strolled around, content to see out another week on Easy St. This is why Gallagher gets credit even though he is such an awful striker. At least he tries. Actually, what struck me most was the superior bite and increased jam per donut to a Birmingham Morrisons donut compared to our store. The football was so appalling it fell a distant second.

As a primary teacher, the only suitable analogy I can think of is when Year 5/6 boys are playing football at break and a reception child starts following them. He's not really affecting anything and they just ignore him. Certainly no chance of him getting the ball off them. That's how far off Brereton is from Championship football.

Not sure about your physical capabilities but the far end of Albion St is quite close and free parking as long as you get there 1 hour before kick-off. NOT BY THE HOUSES as that is residents only.

Fair enough. Genuine question. At what point would you think the risk would be greater keeping him? For me, the eye-watering debts and risk of Venkys finally clearing off mean we HAVE to kick on and get promoted as soon as possible with no time for 'stability' and treading water for the next few years. To me therefore, bumbling around mid-table is as bad as the risk of relegation. That's why I want a change as Mowbray's entire career points to this being a period of stagnation.

This argument has been made for years when discussing managers all the way back to Bowyer. Managers we have already missed out on include: Rowett, Cowley, Holloway, Warnock, Pearson, Hughton etc etc etc. Right now, the likes of Ainsworth I think would be an improvement. We could do this forever but the real talent pool lies in managers who we've never heard of. Had you ever heard of Wagner or Farke? If you had, fair enough but I hadn't. They got their teams promoted with no real investment or talent pool much greater than our own. Howe got Bournemouth up without massive investment. I am not employed by the club to identify targets across the continent but I would imagine someone at the club is at least vaguely aware of some coaches who are doing well at their current clubs. I don't see how fans who want a change can be blasted for being negative then blasted again for positively believing there are better managers/coaches than Tony Mowbray alive in the world today.

Nothing that's happened this season has changed my mind that Mowbray should be sacked. He constantly talks about gradually improving the squad but, entering 2020, we've still got Bell, Bennett and Williams as first teamers. Far from improving, I'd say the attack is now worse than when he started (entirely down to Graham aging). For all the talk about changing our tactics to become a pretty, passing side, we are almost completely toothless and bore the few fans who still attend to tears. A has-been who is indulged because he isn't actively corrupt or slimy. We can do so much better and those say we can't know as little about Europe's various up-and-coming coaches as I do.

I truly don't understand why ANYONE even vaguely connected to football would think that changing 1/3 to 1/2 the team every match is a good thing. How can anyone now still believe that we're progressing?!

I seem to be in the minority here who thought Lenihan was quite poor today. Letting balls bounce (literally everyone knows not to do this), getting the wrong side of his man (and consequently giving away yet another free kick), giving the ball away cheaply and playing the ball out far too slowly. Bennett yet again a weak link. The crowning turd in the water pipe was when he intercepted a through-ball for Nyambe and kicked it off the pitch instead. Bell was quite simply a non-league embarrassment. No confidence going forward, atrocious defending. No sense of position. Garbage. Gallagher is not a striker. He does not have it. Graham does. Rhodes did. McCarthy, Santa Cruz, Bellamy, Yak, many others all knew how to score from relatively nothing. Our current lot try hard. Well whoop-de-do. I must admit, I thought Johnson did better than those on Monday. He constantly moved so as to receive a pass and seemed one of the few to wanted to pass it forward. Buckley easily our stand-out player. Willing to beat a man and put his foot in a little. A pity he is still on the flimsy side this season. Overall an average to poor side who look like they're about to go sliding back down the table.

Steele Orr, Songo'o, Dann, Ribeiro Gladwin, Etuhu, Murphy, Edinho Chris Brown, Best I feel soiled...

First memory - Sat on Mum's shoulders at the bottom of the old Nuttall St stand, watching us at some point in the early to mid-80s. The shirt was shiny and it was very exciting. Favourite memory - Rushing home after my first term away at university, several hours on a train from Swansea just in time to get to Burnley for the 2-0 win, the first derby for 17 years.

To be player of the decade, they need to have played for more than a couple of seasons. Dack's on 2.5 so not enough for me. That rules out so many players, especially the remainder of the Premier League squad. Realistically, that leaves Rhodes or Graham as long-serving quality players who massively affected our overall fortunes. I'll go with Rhodes although I really respect Graham for his contributions and the way he has gracefully handled his easing out of the team on a number of occasions. On a side note, I had hoped to find inspiration in players of the season winners and was shocked to see that Tugay only won it once, Shearer twice whilst Hendry won three times across 10 years. Some of the names to have beaten them are mind-blowing and a reminder of how much of a team game it really is.

I can honestly say that would be the best Christmas present EVER. For someone else obviously.

Never mind overtime, you'd be better off discovering the secrets of alchemy and turning iron into gold...

I remember a number of years ago there were player t-shirts. Garner, Tugay and Jack I think. Bruno Ribeiro cult ones too were definitely interesting. Now they were different. Unfortunately now, so is my waist and Tugay has to stay in the cupboard...

Just saw a tweet promoting the '1875' range of clothing. Despite my better judgement I clicked... A drab collection of uninspiring greys, greens and beiges. I didn't notice but I assume they all have 1875 written on them. This brings me to a wider point. When was the last time Rovers branded clothing actually impressed you? I'll make an exception for the retro kits (although this could be extended to lots more good years). To me, virtually everything in the shop is the same kind of navy blue, grey, generic clothing with an indistinct badge on them. Nothing genuinely desirable. Nothing in blue and white halves bar the home shirt. Even the beanie hats are all blue. Where is the love for our own unique colour scheme? I lost my Rovers hat a fair few years ago which was simple blue and white halves with a crest. I've been looking for another ever since but nothing. Fair comment or am I getting older with no knowledge of current fashion?