The way this thread has gone is amusing. I've heard it before that Rovers fans tend to be far more patient and forgiving than most. So anyway, Tony Mowbray.....

Rovers go two up in first half and then do their best to blow it in the second. Final score 2-1 to Rovers.

My thoughts exactly.

Given the owners previous form I am nothing other than suspicious at what is going on. If you have an asset that does nothing but cost you millions year after year then why not just get rid? Unless of course there is something else that you are using it for....

But the club owes them well over 100 million. I genuinely am intrigued by this and would like it if someone could explain how that works. My take on it is that all they have done is offset the losses the club has made by the way of loans. However I could be wrong about that so if someone could set me straight on the way all of this works I would much appreciate it. Even if they are covering the losses there does not seem to be much actual investment. It has been mentioned before that the stadium and training facilities are in dire need of attention. We are short of at least 5 decent players and although I think a lot of the venom directed towards Tony Mowbray is completely over the top, I don't think he's the man to take Rovers on to promotion and ultimately a permanent spot in the Premier League. Regarding FFP, there are ways around that. We have seen it done by Man City, PSG and you can guarantee we will see it from Newcastle in the coming years. Selling assets like the training ground or stadium to yourself is one of those, so you can't say they don't know about that sort of stuff. It would take some desire and some effort to do that though. Kind of like the desire and effort they put in to pass the "fit and proper" requirements. I think I can safely say we all want to see Rovers doing well. I don't think that will happen under the current ownership.

Nothing to see here.....

Hopefully they'll have a minutes silence for all the slaves (or migrant workers or whatever spin they are going to put on that) that lost their lives in the construction of the stadiums.

The fact they had to sell the training ground to avoid falling foul of FFP shows that the owners have invested absolutely nothing into the club. The money they supposedly put in is only to cover losses and is the bear minimum that they can get away with. Even this money is in the form of debt so they aren't really giving anything to the club. Unless the big news is going to be that the club is up for sale then nothing is going to change. It's both hilarious and tragic when people come out with "where would we be without Venkys?" My response is that we'd probably be 7th in the Premier League rather than 7th in the Championship.

That is a fair assessment. The three groups need to stop being so militant in their views, I do find it quite childish and embarrassing. As for any hopes of investment in the club, I doubt that will ever happen in a meaningful way. It hasn't happened in the last eleven years and doesn't look as though it's happening in the near future. The owners reportedly put in 20 million a year to cover the club's losses. However, the only reason the club is incurring such heavy losses is because of the owners. The money they put in every year is the bear minimum, any less would see the lights being turned off. The club is in huge debt, 150 million of which is owed to Venkys. I'm not sure how that can be so some explanation from someone who understands this sort of stuff is much welcomed as I am genuinely curios about this. The way this looks to me is that they haven't put in any money at all as they have just transferred more debt to the club. Although Ewood is not the wild wild west that it was 11 years ago there still seems to be something strange about the way in which Venkys use the club. All the club does is apparently lose tens of millions a year which the owners have to pay the balance of. They have no intentions to sell, take advice or appoint competent and skilled people to run the club properly. So the question still remains and that is why? Given their previous involvement with agents and all the rest of it I am left with nothing other than feeling of suspicion towards them. The owners of Blackburn Rovers Football Club are liars and should not be trusted. Ever.

I had no idea that the fans were so divided. Sounds like there are a lot of people who are in the midst of Stockholm syndrome. Then there are a lot of die hards and people who have kept going because that's just what they do and have always done. Then there are those of us who chosen to go down the avenue of non participation in whatever the fuck it is that Venkys have going on here. It's incredibly stupid to be calling people names and giving them grief because they are either going to watch the games or are not going. Especially on a Blackburn Rovers forum. We wouldn't be signed up here if we weren't all Rovers fans. It's not like Venkys took over and all of a sudden we all went out and bought Burnley shirts. We are all still Rovers fans and want to see the team doing well. I for one support any action that sheds light on what is and has been going on behind the scenes at Blackburn Rovers. I think there needs to be renewed efforts in investigating these events and we need to always remember why we are where we are.

Well he needs to be able to communicate with his third party owned players somehow.

Roxy Music - Trash

Yep that's exactly what I think. The "taking one for the team" yellows still add up and if a player misses a game through 5 yellow card suspension then that's a definite negative.

Was listening to that album the other day. ^^ The Modern Jazz Quartet - Pyramid

Tears for Fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World

Maybe. But when it counts towards a one match suspension....

In the case of getting a Red or a Yellow there should be a fixed score for that also. I mean you have -5 for an own goal. So when Vah Hecke got sent off after 20 mins or whatever it was that should receive a fixed score. Picking up Yellow cards definitely affects a players performance during a game as they can't commit to tackles etc. And the effect of a Red is pretty obvious.

The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Take Five

I've not lived in England for the last eight years, I had forgotten about how dense the majority of people actually are over there.

Glen and all the others involved with the investigation are owed a massive debt from the rest of us. I had no idea how much corruption was actually going on. I would hazard a guess and say tbat nothing has changed, just some of the pieces have been moved around. The position of the club, mid table in the Championship, seems to me to be by design. The perfect level for which to develop young players then move them on all while agents get a percentage of the wages of said players. Also a good way for the owners to reshuffle all of their debts across all their assets. I'd hazard a guess and say that nothing has changed in 11 years.

Yeah, just read the comments. Here is what I've learned. 1. I've been away for a long time. 2. We really are completely fucked.

Size and fit?

Well, that was phenomenal. As expected the corruption goes right to the top. No surprise the F.A wanted nothing to do with this as it implicated their official partners. I can remember the manager merry go round but as I said before I had already walked long before that. I have been out of the loop for the last 10 or 11 years so a lot of this is new to me, although I had heard a lot of the rumours going around at the time. I also remember that a lot of our big players like Dunn were not being played for some reason. There is still a lot to be explained. Where did the money originally come from for the club purchase? Why did the Venkys even want to buy the club in the first place? What happened to Anderson et al, there is still a lot of suspicion that there is still something fishy going on at the club in that regard. Most importantly, what can we do as fans in all of this? That cliff hanger at the end has left me clamouring for more.

Actions speak louder than words.

Apparently that's what everyone thought we should have done at the cup final too.