It's bound to be Burnley.

What a Multiple expletive deleted by Admin - please don't use those words again. <Bryan makes hand gesture in rough direction of North London.>

Just leave her to it, Brownie. Believe me, it ain't worth it, you only get abuse in return!

Since the spitting thread got pulled, best place for this seems to be here. Spitting in football I draw your attention to the following: Steve Bruce said: The ability of Steve Bruce to make himself look a cretin knows no bounds ...

Thought he went to Wolves? Doesn't he run a bar in Wolves home end, called Waggy's?

You just don't let them out ever again, Phil! Can't do much harm then! Seems quite simple to me. Just because sentences currently are too lenient doesn't mean we should progress right to teh other end of teh scale and start marching people up Tyburn Hill. I know some will disagree though!

So the European courts will stop us incarcerating criminals for life, but can't stop us topping criminals where we think it appropriate. Er yes ... quite.

Life sentences are not a deterrent, but presumably death sentences are? Would you point me to the evidence that shows a 0% murder rate when we still had capital punishment in this country? As clearly, to your mind, the only proof that we have an effective deterrent is that no such crimes are committed. I would like to pose a question. Fred West committed suicide on New Year's Day a few years ago, now why did he do this? Out of concern for his victims, ie he thought dying was a greater punishment and thought suicide was in some way an atonement? Or out of concern for himself, ie he thought spending the rest of his life in a cell would be unbearable compared to dying? I'd suggest it was not out of concern for the victims! I'd not like to see a death row style system over here, where it costs an absolutely insane amount of money to incarcerate people for years whilst their sentence is ratified. How is that different to someone going to prison for a (real) life sentence and dying inside?

So just before Christmas they have to face the prospect of spending the rest of their natural lives in prison ... hardly the soft option. Life sentences (in principle, I do not agree with lifers being let out early) are a deterrent. It is not a sign of a weak-willed liberal to hold this view. Whereas someone who wants to kill a murderer to show them violence is wrong has a warped morality. Maybe you could watch beheadings on Channel 5, wouldn't that be neat?

How on earth are you meant to weigh things up when battling an intruder in your home? "Gee if I smack him over the head with this bottle, would it be unnecessary force? Probably, let's give him a chinese burn instead!" Never been in that situation I do admit but I think if I was then I wouldn't have the composure to stop to think. Crazy to think I could well get a criminal record for it. If these guys don't have the right to be in my house then they don't have the right not to get a wallop! It's all well and good the police saying "They're only possessions, don't disturb them", but how do you know they only want your video and your Barry Manilow records? How many coppers would roll over for a burglar?

Sharia law I think you mean. Was giving me a headache trying to think what it was.

I'm going to be narky and vote for Brotherstone, Waggy or Harrison. Everyone else will vote for Duff and he'll win by a mile, so it barely matters.

We're not in a position to give anyone who's "clearly very talented" a bit of time to get used to the Premiership. What would've happened if Busted dude had come on and sliced one into his own net? Then gifted the ball to Cole who'd equalised? What you'd be doing is coming on here peeing and moaning about how "Gamst" had been put under too much pressure in a vital game blah blah blah. I'm sure he's gutted not to get on at the minute, what with being 22ish and driving a beamer, crying all teh way to the bank. "Oooooh Gamst, you're sooooooooooo hunky!"

I thought our passing was brilliant at times yesterday.

No, he'll put Thompson out wide. We'll still in schtuck and need geezers with experience willing to fight, not a Norwegian fairy.

McEveley has made what, two appearances as Hughes has struggled to find a back four permutation that will stop us conceding. Whereas the middle four largely picks itself due to some excellent performances. Can you see a possible connection between why Pederson can't get a game and McEveley has been able to? Bimey this thread is a fifty-two page joke full of CM wannabes who want to see someone different in the shirt. Just for the novelty value.

McEveley has appeared regularly in the first team? A regular appearance rate of 1 game per 15 or so ...

With all respect to Mo Camara, I think he is being a little naive. Maybe he should talk to John Barnes and his black predecessors who were subject to 5,000+ making monkey noises and throwing bananas. Surely the situation wasn't improved by "ignoring it." It has taken many years of work until football has reached the stage where 2 idiots make the news at Ewood for making monkey noises. It didn't happen by itself. Mr C: I know what you're saying, but a slight misrepresentation there. John Barnes has maintained that he'd never react to the cr*p he got because he didn't want to dignify it. He also said being racially abused is like being bitten by a shark, no-one knows how much it really hurts until it happens to them, they only know that it hurts.

Does that make his opinions invalid in some way? It's another one of those circular brfcs arguments. Right-wing nutbars on one side, those with a less emotive view on the other.

Paul Dickov may not be the most gifted of finishers, but I am very glad we have him. Undoubtedly we would still be on the bottom if it weren't for him. Things appear to be looking up for us. We were lucky to escape with a clean sheet, and should've scored more, but there's been an obvious improvement under Hughes, and we just need to sustain this now. Brett Emerton for one is unrecognisable. I wonder what part Mark Bowen has had to play in this improvement?

Now I'm puzzled. He has to have a german bodyguard?

"Burn" is Scottish for River or stream. "Black" because that was the colour of whatever stream was running through Blackburn in the dark ages. Hence Blackburn, look it up in the Doomsday Book if you don't believe me (if you buy it sdon't forget the amazon link on the shop page). That's why there's also a Blackburn in Scotland, no doubt.

This thread is warming up a treat. Not going anywhere at all, but I can't stop visiting it. Someone help me!

Don't know what unis you've been to Phil, but as I understood it: University Rule (UR) 1: Do as little work as possible, leave everything until the last minute UR2: Get maxed out on debt, spend it all on booze. Don't remember any Nazi stuff during my time there, sorry.

Sorry, I have put my handbag down now, I am calm. Zen. I was trying to think of an analogy for this "Must vote Sherwood as I have not seen Forrest" syndrome. Maybe saying who was the most war-like leader, Attila the Hun or Tony Blair. Well, it's got to be Blair hasn't it, I never saw Attila in action. Plus civilization was different then, innit? Whaddya mean, history books? Schmistory books!