They always count all the season ticket holders. Quite a few of whom probably aren't attending.

Before isn't as bad, but still. And he's still a cheeky cunt - the fans asked him to stay away and he gives a pre match interview, which he never does, to ram home that he's going anyway.

That was a good header tbf Ty. Shame I basically don't care at this juncture.

He said what!? After the Boro game?? Cheeky cunt!

Preposterous to not even play him in his natural position too.

Sheffield player should be off.

In the cheapest stand in the ground too.

Soft Touch FC

I'm sorry but the time and the place is inside the stadium during the match. Anything else is too easily brushed aside.

What the actual fuck?!? Given our shitty budget and the importance placed on data science during recruitment (whether you agree with it or not is unimportant, it will be factored in and having a no mark there will be a problem), this is one of the most farcical appointments in a long line of farcical appointments. Mind you, grossly underqualified Rudy Gestede has probably been involved in this hire given his role, and he probably has sympathy for work experience types. Plus he's Indian so bonus point from the owners. What a joke. We should publicise this ludicrous move on social media to add fuel to the fire.

Please tell me you know what logical means.

I was thinking it was odd to sub off a defender in the 88th minute of a 1-0...even odder to swap them for a midfielder who is also the manager.

If he was only 16, therefore on a scholarship and moving to another scholarship, why did we pay so much? Seems excessive for a freshly 16 year old from a middling League Two club with zero first team competitive appearances.

Loanee looks comfortable at that level, gets subbed off, fans are confused as to why...I don't like the sound of that, we've had some loans this year where that was exactly how it went early doors and then they're hardly ever seen again since.

Turned out none of them were. Montgomery was, so clearly been recalled to sit our bench (and probably not play). Bit of a strange one. Also weird, slight side note here, that we only made 2 subs in the first team game tonight. I'm not sure what he saw where he thought 'yes this is going swimmingly'. I'd have rather at least had a few minutes to see one of the youngsters near the end when the game was clearly gone.

What do you mean 'at best' another Championship club? He's been one of the best LBs in the league until his injury, he's not exactly about to drop to League One. At 23 with the potential to improve and already showing he can be one of the best in his position at this level, 2 or 3 million would be a ridiculous bargain for someone. He doesn't need to improve much more to look Premiership ready. His previous CV doesn't really matter anymore. Obviously we're a badly-ran club, and we could perhaps have got an option to buy for 2 mill ish at the time we loaned him. But as you say we've no ambition or forethought.

Unless he's planning to give him minutes tonight (or there was a deadline for recalling him) it seems pretty stupid to recall him now. Just bring him back when he's going to get minutes or is actually needed, and let him get more experience in the meantime. Weird one.

I don't believe that at all. 5 million minimum. He's been excellent and is still young.

You don't think we will be paying a higher wage on this new deal now he has been solid in this league? Because I do. Nothing smart about it, we didn't even put an extension option in the initial deal. If he'd decided he didn't like the circus here, or he'd grabbed another club's attention, we'd have essentially been trialling him on someone else's behalf. It was obvious from game 1 that the length of the deal was a mistake. And Forshaw is old and was performing poorly for a poor side. A 1.5 or 2.5 year deal would have clearly been a mistake before he kicked a ball. In fact signing him til the summer was a clear mistake.

Christ, every half decent youngster we produce gets linked away before they've played a first team game these days, this is getting ridiculous.

Forshaw should be offered the door if he wants to stay. I'd rather put the 2 grand a week into retaining Travis and Tronstad.

When Ribeiro played the first time, it was immediately obvious that the 6 month deal he had been given was a joke. Now the club are rolling out this extension, which merely gives him the contract length he should have been given in the first place, to try to alleviate the pressure they've been under. But it's merely a correction of one of their own fuckups. I'd be very surprised if, after proving he is a capable Championship LB, he hasn't received a pay rise too, so this is probably costing us more than the same contract length would have in January. But it's an easy way for our terrible trio to get a bit of positive PR to keep their jobs, so I'm sure the budget can stretch.

Funny how there's talk of a breakthrough on contracts in the next couple of days...didn't they only just say in the interviews that they're not discussing new contracts yet as they don't know what league we'll be in? Sounds like we lit a rocket up their arse to try rush contracts through for positive PR.

It's worse than that, they essentially want 7 times the amount as when it was new. Potentially more like 8 really (I didn't actually add anything for the sale value of the club as I don't know what they would value it at, plus we aren't clear if the alleged debt is 250 or 300 mill).

Exactly. So if that's what they insist on, we are in for another long road.