The two Brighton lads and one other?

Completely out of their depth?You know this after watching the game today?So one game enough to judge. They may be only loans ,them being here may mean that our own get less minutes but does that make them bad players? Poveda got promoted with Leeds and came off the bench a number of times in the premier league so don't see how he will be out of his depth playing in the championship with us?

Still even if you feel that way I don't see how that makes Clarkson and Poveda clowns?

He isn't Gallagher up front

Get in

He said flew into Manchester airport with his parents and at the game today and he is a number 10.It was Poveda Reading up about him he was brought up in London.Perhaps he was down south with his parents prior to signing

You can guarantee we won't go down? Take loan player Elliots goals and assists out of the side last season and we could have been playing in league one today.Similar with Harwood Bellis the defence improved when he came in. There are plenty of games and our young players who are good enough will still see plenty of minutes this season.

We don't seem to have a problem getting the younger ones to sign new deals, Buckley , Costello and Carter have all signed new deals in recent months

It was the lad we signed from Leeds

Yes the players who have signed new deals will have been on the cheaper end of wages but at least it is showing some sort of forward planning by getting our more rated youngsters tied down to long term deals. In fairness Harvey Elliot and Harwood Bellis might have been cheap for us but we would have had to fight off other clubs to get them, certainly for Elliot. I don't think anyone is "happy" that we are so reliant on the loan market but some people are accepting of it and try to make the best of the situation. Constantly moaning on a message board about every single thing the club does will change absolutely nothing.

Agreed but don't think he should be playing at full back especially with the way Mowbray likes our full backs playing so far forward,he lacks the pace to get back.

What's happening with that imminent loan arrival from Liverpool?

Hope he performs better and gives more than he did in his time here

Who they signing mate?

Ffp is just something made up according to him

The clubs with 10 thousand crowds ain't carrying our Wage bill nor are they spending 5 million and 7 million on transfer fees.Try again. I keep going on about Ayala because of what you said.You criticised the club for not paying what it took to get him here.Then we do sign him you make out it cost the club hardly any money. We have still spent more In transfer fees if not then it's breaking even.We made about 10 on Armstrong and 5 on Raya.And we only received the Armstrong money 2 week ago ffs.

Selling assets? We have sold one asset in Armstrong who had 12 month left on his contract. Find it hilarious that you are calling out people for their interpretation of FFP.This coming from the man who won't accept the free transfer signings that have been made have been expensive deals, they would all of got signing on fees.You don't even include Ayala when discussing our transfer spend despite you yourself criticising the club for not paying the price to get him last year when it looked like he was heading to Saudi Arabia. With crowds of 10 thousand, sponsorship down, miniscule TV money,a wage bill far exceeding our income,spent more on transfers than received.You explain how the club isn't really under threat of not meeting FFP requirements???

Middlesbrough are well In profit on player transfers regardless if they wasted their parachute payments.

Is it massively in our favour?If I live in your world maybe yes, where the likes of Ayala and Holtby took massive wage drops with no signing on fees to join us Brereton and Gallagher were 12 alone.Armstrong would have hit a few clauses so we will say conservatively 2 million.Kaminski we paid a fee for ,Pickering,loan fees.Signing on fees for others.Plus as our wages show we are spending a lot more than we are bringing in which the owners are covering. The club must also be psychic that Armstrong was going to be worth that sort of money, he went up a level for 18 months and again through gross mismanagement we ended up getting a poor deal because of the length in his contract, but a good deal in the circumstances

Chaddy did a breakdown not too long ago of the profits they have made from player sales I can't remember the exact figures but they were well in Boro's favour.And yeah it will help signing players from abroad if you can pay what they are paying

My point with Rhodes Is Venkys are not in this to make a few million pound off player sales.There is no evidence to suggest they are. Mate the "frees" you go on about were not free they were expensive deals as you even said yourself last season regarding Ayala.And you know that Holtby ,Rodwell ,Johnson and Downing would have done well When you ain't selling any player then transfer fees of 7 million and 5 Million with our level of income is going beyond what we should be spending.The owners are putting that money in and there is no evidence to suggest that they are in this to make a bit of profit.Even last January we could have sold Armstrong if we wanted to. The stuff about the ground I agree but that isn't the part I'm arguing, I'm arguing the owners spend money on the squad but they appoint the wrong people to spend it. Like IV said I think they have no interest in us but if the manager asks he gets and they don't sell players unless they are practically forced too. I just don't get why they pay Waggott 300 grand a year and he doesn't even have the authority to clear up around the ground.These guys have loads of businesses and they want to be bothered with such trivial matters? If it takes months for a simple thing like that to be sorted out then inside the ground must have no chance of being sorted.

My argument is he wasn't bought purely to make a profit on him.I still think 40% was too much.20% standard, he wanted to leave and Newcastle weren't trying to stop him.A player is worth what someone is willing to pay and although I know Preston were in for him there wasn't that much interest in him at the time.His last loan spell in the championship with Bolton hadn't gone well and he wasn't spectacular for us in league one either

We were so desperate to get a profit out of Armstrong we gave up 40% of the deal to get it done?That doesn't make sense. And Brererton cost 7 million and Gallagher 5 is it beyond the realms of possibility that we have stupidly agreed to such a clause in their contracts aswell?With the best will in the world they would have to have seriously hit the ground running to have made a quick profit on those 2.But I don't think selling players is a bad thing anyway if some of the profit is reinvested. You can argue with me till you are blue in the face but Jordan Rhodes wanted out of here a long time before he agreed to sell him and we had offers of similar to what we eventually got for him.Im not one to make out I'm itk but this is one thing I know to be true and it's from the Rhodes end.They do not sell players easy, but for me that is a black mark because sometimes you just have to see the bigger picture and you have to sell an asset to strengthen other areas.We never sell players and when we do we don't get what we should. He brought 12 players to the club last season ,half of them loans but still add them all together and it will still have cost the club a pretty penny especially when you are committing to a 4 year deal for Ainsley Pears.Dont you find that odd, that everyone else gets a 2+1 year deal but a son of an ex teammate of a manager gets this deal. They have no interest in us but if the manager asks for something he gets it.But after bringing 12 players to the club last season and to have as poor a season as we did then I don't blame them from pulling back a bit.I blame them for not sacking him. I still think they will allow him to bring a striker in permanent

A left back yes but a right back won't be in the manager's thoughts.Rankin Costello will alternate with Nyambe, I wouldn't do that but Mowbray will.And if Carter isn't sent on loan then he will come in if those two ain't available or Costello is moved further up the field

Not absolving the owners of anything. I'm pointing out the fact that they have spent money on the squad in Mowbrays reign,there is no denying or disputing that. Every summer Mowbray has been here he has brought at least 6 players in through a mixture of transfer fees,free transfers and loans. Money brought in Raya, Nuttall and two week ago Armstrong. People can come up with theories if they so wish that the likes of Brererton and Gallagher were signed as a way of making a quick profit.Yet both hardly start a game in their first 2 seasons at the club, no profit forthcoming and the manager is still in situ. The high cost free transfer deals signed off, no profit was ever coming from any of those signings. The extensions to the out of contract and out of favour players after the covid break again signed off no problem.All facts.Not things made up to suit my argument. And yeah I'm sure Suhail gives weekly reports to the owners about the over grown weeds etc outside the ground.