True but with what we likely have to spend we will be most likely be gambling anyway.I don't think we will be in the market for in demand players.Be either cast offs who failed at their current clubs or loans from premier league acadamies.

Two of our better performers last season in Harwood Bellis and Elliott had hardly a senior game between them either. Granted it is not ideal and a bit of experience needs to be added but it needs to be the right quality too which is going to be difficult as it looks like we don't have a pot to piss in.Id rather see short term deals than giving out longer contracts to older players who are either coming to the end of their careers or injury prone... Ayala, Johnson etc The link is probably nonsense anyway

Exactly, so reading that it's most likely complete bull that he has been offered to us as part of a deal. Is there actually an article stating he has been offered to us or are people working themselves up in to a frenzy because someone has guessed it's McQueen that has been offered? Just had a look and he is out of contract so it can't be him who has been offered.

Nothing confirmed they have offered McQueen? I think it is complete bull considering their manager said it will be a struggle for him to play again. Hopefully not, be an awful shame to see Mowbray being given any of the Armstrong money to make permanent signings. The man should be gone and no way should he be getting more money to fritter away giving 2 or 3 year deals to players because they played well for him or against him a couple of times

You said the same the last summer and summer before and they did invest in the team. The club haven't come out and said signings are dependent on an Armstrong sale.

Is Howe actually that good? Getting to the Premier league with Bournemouth was a great achievement but he wasn't anything special with Burnley and spent millions at Bournemouth when in the Premier League. Quite a few jobs in the premier league have come up since and he is still without a job. I'd take him over Mowbray obviously but just not convinced he is as good as the media made out.He wouldn't come up north for the Rovers job anyway.

Either way Butterworth hasn't played enough for you to be so sure he is not up to championship level.

Mate he has been involved a couple of times.You say things with such certainty,you have no idea if he will be up to championship standard or not.He has not played enough to make a judgement. Last season you had the same confidence that Brererton (not saying he has been spectacular) would end up in league 2 or Conference and he ended up playing in the Copa America.All I'm saying is you can't be so certain. Agree a loan might be the best for him but until/if we sign players we can't be letting any forwards out

When has Butterworth had the championship minutes for you to come to the conclusion he isn't Championship standard? I respect you have formed an opinion on Davenport, Chapman and Buckley as they have played but I'm wondering how you can be so certain about Butterworth? I'm not saying he will be but to write him off with such certainty when he has been injured the majority of the last two seasons and when fit was one of the better performers for the under 23s and he didn't look too shabby when he got an opportunity with the first team? I agree not top 6 but it's looking like the taps now turned off for Mowbray and he is here for at least the season so we are most likely going to need Butterworth and hope he can contribute

He has his own thread

Absolute joke .Are we waiting to win a couple of games in pre season before we announce Mowbrays new contract?

I asked Crooke yesterday he said he has been told by the club that they have chosen their preferred candidate and waiting for it to be signed off before announcing it

He can play up front ,he can play either side of the 10. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he can have his breakout season in the championship with us.It isn't his talent that has been holding him back,not every young player needs a loan move to prove their worth.We have a top academy and I fail to believe we don't have players within it to make a difference in our senior squad.A decision can be made on Butterworth toward deadline day

Had Dolan played a competitive game before last year?Granted he wasn't overly amazing later but he played his part . It's not like we have loads of options in forward areas at the minute let's see what he does in pre season and if he is involved in the opening games?He is obviously regarded by the club ,if his talent is as good as they say and he can make a contribution from the bench he will be worth keeping here

Yeah maybe I should have been clearer we dont have the players to implement what he wants tho.So stupidity to stick with it. Like the full backs and central mid are majorly important in what he is trying to do and certainly left back and centre mid we were very weak last season. If a new manager had come in he would have changed the system...full backs playing far too high leaving centre halves exposed and weak midfield couldn't cover them. I think Armstrong will be sold

Think 3 worse teams than us just, even without Armstrong,he had a great season last year and is our best asset,I do rate him and obviously my number one choice is for him to sign a new deal, however a lot of his better performances last year came when we dominated games and creating a lot of chances.When teams hadn't worked us out. Mowbrays formation and tactic when it worked brought the best out of Armstrong,in tighter games he wasn't as good and I don't think we will be blowing any teams away next season,maybe as a team we would be better signing a better hold up player and becoming harder to roll over and share the goals around.His sale might force Mowbray to move away from his "philosophy" as he won't be able to bring in a player anywhere near Armstrongs ability with what he will likely have to spend If Mowbray to stay the season we ain't getting promoted,if no hope of play offs be happy to finish to finish 4th bottom.If Mowbrays deal is renewed after another midtable finish then I would have to consider stopping going until the owners are gone

Why would Sheffield Wednesday have needed clever accounting if they weren't in breach of some sort of financial rule?They were spending decent money. Derby are under an embargo and but for pure luck would have gone down last season and will be fighting at the bottom again next season. Both those clubs get bigger match day revenue than us and on TV a lot more certainly in Derby's case Not saying we are better off than Derby this season but the point I make the owners have been putting in the max that they are allowed which should have us a lot more competitive. The weeds outside ewood and all the things you have grievence with is down to them not having competent people on the ground not because they don't spend money on us.The accounts tell us how much they spend on us

I'd agree with this if it was just one or two players but we have a host of players running out of contract they leave on free transfers,no money coming into the club at all in transfer fees , crowds down ,the owners only allowed to put in so much to cover their mistakes.Worrying times

Don't think we will go down .I probably would take 6 or 7 after Newcastle's cut. No guarantee Armstrong has as good a season and will his head be right?Could already have a move agreed,I know that's against the rules but it happens. Plus a massive risk to a player having one year left and a long term injury happens. We should be trying to buy his replacement now because once sold we will most likely be quoted a higher price but I guess they still ain't picking up the phone

I 100% agree with you that the club is run like an absolute joke.I think our owners are terrible,I just disagree massively with some of the stuff you come out with. Like not believing we have been trying to get Armstrong to sign a new deal.The owners do spend money on the playing squad we tried buying our way out of the league when we first came down,stupidly granted but how many big contracts did we hand out on complete wasters we are still paying for it today. They have backed Mowbray since he got here,giving him enough money in my opinion to be challenging the top 6.Not forcing him to sell one player, let's be honest the manager didn't rate Raya that highly and wasn't bothered about him leaving. Like the last couple of weeks IV seen people say the Rhodes money disappeared but we didn't even make that much of a profit on Rhodes?The player wanted out a very very long time before they agreed to sell him we bought him for 8 million and on top of that the wages we paid him In his time here we wouldn't have made much profit at all. We disagree on ffp aswell look how much we are spending on wages compared to turnover and the EFL are cracking down now.Those clubs who gambled and lost on getting to the premier league are being punished now . Its their disinterest and stupidity I can't stand ,most recent example by the looks of it taps are turned off again and radio silence,they will forget about us for a year until Mowbrays contract runs out.Just sack the man for Christ sake . Plus sick of hearing people saying they listened to the wrong advice,IV no doubt they were misled initially (Mrs Desai didn't wake up one morning and have a premonition that 5 million and "leasing" players would get Champions league football) but it's been 10 year and they still fill the most important positions at the club with substandard people and don't make a change when they prove their incompetence

I'm not comparing Armstrong and Lenihen in terms of ability what I'm saying Is if the club give Armstrong a new deal on significantly higher than our current highest earner then any player we are looking to tie down will be wanting more.I used Lenihen as the example as he is the captain . I'm not sure what Lenihen is on now but say it's 15 grand a week, we give Armstrong 25-30 a week as club captain Lenihen and his agent will be saying to the club we want 20 to renew as will all the other senior players when it comes to negotiations over new contract.

The cock and bull story about Rothwell came from Nixon..not the club. You have absolutely no idea how much the club have offered Armstrong(well sorry you don't believe there is any offer). Armstrong will be able to get 30k upward a week if he moves.If he leaves on a free then he will get a nice juicy signing on fee. You are correct in what you say after letting all those players depart then we should have the scope to offer Armstrong a very good deal but the problem with that Is then the other players nearing the end of their deals will want more to renew also.You will have the likes of Lenihen wanting 20+ a week and he isn't worth it. Also do you not want all those players that have left replacing like you keep saying so where is that money coming from? We also have to be wary with ffp we do not want the club sanctioned again.Our relegation to league one started with the embargo under Bowyer and left us with a truly terrible squad when Coyle was in charge. I know In the past you have downplayed ffp and pointed at other teams working around it through clever accounting.Well it doesn't look so clever now ,Sheff Wednesday just been relegated, Derby very very lucky not to have been and both clubs overspent massively for what exactly?Both didn't get promoted due to it. The Armstrong new deal should have happened 12-18 months ago when he first starting showing signs of kicking on.But we can't just give him what he wants to keep him,the club has to cut its cloth accordingly and we should be working toward getting as much as a transfer fee as we possibly can now

Only worry is his people sort out a deal with an English club on the sly.Come the latter stages of the season will he really be giving 100% when he knows he won't be here the following season

How can a player break through when injured?He has spent the majority of the last two seasons out injured

Why wouldn't they offer the biggest asset the club have a new deal? Now the new contract may be way below what he would get elsewhere but I can think of no reason whatsoever why the club wouldn't offer their biggest asset a new contract. Big difference between Marshall and Armstrong who just finished the season 2nd top scorer. You did say the same about Dack.Like you say every summer no money will be spent on permanent signings.Like you were saying last week that the club want to be in an embargo...plenty of nonsensical stuff you come out with.With absolutely no evidence to back it up.