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Mate i have never once argued that viewpoint so not sure what you are on about? My arguments are with the statement that they are unwilling to spend money, when the league rules(something the owners have no control over) wont allow them as they have hit the limit.They have wasted 141 million.The club needed the 16 million injected or do you want sanctions.There was nothing stopping the owners not setting this company up, not injecting 16.6 million into the club,keeping it and then selling it directly to a develepor.If someone can give me a legitimate reason why this is some sort of ploy im all ears

They spent to make the black hole in the first place. There is nothing to suggest we were on the brink of admin.Even this summer not a lot was spent but a little was.The owners simply cant put in more money at this point without exceeding what is allowed through owner support. Im sounding like a venky apologist so i will make my position clear I think they have zero interest and have no plan and repeatedly make the same mistakes but they have put money into the club through transfers. They wouldnt put the club on the market first before considering Admin? This has all been seen before (not talking about training ground)we go through periods of spending then it stops then it starts again...there are 141 million reasons to suggest the venkys didnt come for quick buck, a lot of factors support that viewpoint imo.Its quite clear from finance experts alligned with the accounts that this money was needed otherwise the threat of sanctions.Thats not to say when the owners are allowed to throw more money down the drain they wont do.

I just dont get what other reason there is for this other than making the books a little better. Why would selling it to another company set up by themselves and putting 16 million into the club make it easier for housing to be put there? In owning the club if there was a hint housing wouldnt be oppossed they could have sold it to developers directly so why the charade of doing it this way?

But yet they were willing to fund transfers up to this summer,? I know they are odd fuckers but they just made a 10 million profit on a player, and are looking like making another profit on Brererton. In mowbrays reign they have stumped up the cash for the squad, loads of players have come through the door and Raya and Armstrong out as first teamers. When we lose the spend from our first summer back in the championship then more leeway to spend. I really do believe some money will be reinvested into the squad next summer

He can look at the accounts like everyone else though

But like Revidge says it doesnt take a finance expert to know the club were skating on thin ice regarding ffp. The accounts show the owners have put in the max they are allowed in this cycle.

In fact im sure he has even spoken about this in the media. One of the many times he spoke of his shock over players and agents demands

It has been transferred to the clubs accounts back in June.

Wasting your breath.He wont believe you . Didnt you know he deals with contracts in his line of work whilst we spend our time playing football manager

For how much more than the 16 million they have already paid for it?

Good post

I agree on that point, he didnt warrant a big deal. Similar with Lenihen, he could find himself out of the team if Wharton progresses and Ayala stays fit as he hasnt kicked on,stats suggest we get better results with him in the team but as an individual he has been pretty poor imo. My anger isnt over the fact we havent signed them up but they should have been sold.Something going into recruitment is better than nothing and we would havd seen some of any fees brought in last summer. We left it too late to do anything about it,at best we will get small fees in january

He wouldnt have had the interest he has now 2 years ago and it most likely wouldnt have taken going over our wage ceiling to resign him.

Nyambe wouldnt be after money that is higher than our wage ceiling tho. And two years ago you think there would have been clubs willing to give Rothwell 20k a week?

Everyone in the league is making cut backs.Il be very surprised if Nyambe gets much more than 10k a week.

Yes they sort the contracts out, they do the deal and see if its Viable but in football the manager of the team recommends which players are kept etc and gives his opinion of how valuable they are to the team.Or are you saying It goes over the managers head and they hsve no say in it at all? On Nyambe im unconvinced the manager rates him that highly In my first reply to you i said i know he doesnt do the negotiations

Agreed i dont know.But when i look at the amount of money wasted and some of the players who did get new deals then yes i do think Mowbray has had his part to play.Iv said numerous times i know its not Mowbray negotiating the deals etc.But like was it the venkys who told Mowbray he had to hand out extensions to players who were no longer part of his plans in the first covid break. I know you will most likely respond that it was small fry, but how many small fry deals have been done under his watch?Add them all together and its a decent player signed or renewed contract for a valuable player. Its him who said he had a plan. And on Nyambe yeah he has potential and i will watch with interest who his next club will be and how much he will be paid.Im willing to bet with you now he will get a deal around the 10k a week mark.

What you mean? You think it isnt up to the manager who gets offered a new deal or doesnt?He has no say in it.? Listen Mowbray as late as last season was talking in the media about his plan...our journey ..you would have me believe at that time he wasnt aware of the contract situation and the players relutance to sign new deals. He brought 12 players in last summer without selling anyone so your opinion that deals couldnt have been done is horseshit. Lenihen could have been given Ayalas deal, or Lenihen could have been sold to pay for Ayalas deal. I agree overall blame lays with the owners but i do not agree that Mowbray is exempt from blame and had no part to play in the positon we find ourselves in regarding the contracts

So he spent 2 seasons on 6k less a week than he is currently on and he is happy with that? How is it football manager thinking to replace players who have no interest in signing new deals?Other clubs sell the player more often than not in similar circumstance. There is no guarantee he wouldnt have seen any money from those deals?So why was he allowed to bring Kaminski,Pears,The greek,Pickering on permanent deals and use the loan allocations and resign Downing without bringing in any money?

No but the manager gives recommendations on a players worth and Value.Cheston is a number cruncher not a footballing person. The manager practically runs the club here and has been the case throughout the venky era

Bennett was on a minimum of 10k a week.Nyambe would have been happy with that 2 years ago conidering he is on a reported 4k a week. We couldnt spend it this summer!I have already said this summer thr budget cut and leaving players get into their last year is amateur. The previous summer when they had 2 years left is a different story.We brought 12 players in.They should have been sold then if they werent going to be signing new deals. Isnt it standard practice for clubs to sell players who wont sign new deal I couldnt care less if you work with contracts or not, its a totally different ball game in football.And as for you football manager comment, ridiculous of course trading could have been done the previous summer 12 players walked in the door!

Bennett wouldnt have been om peanuts at all.If you want to believe that Ryan Nyambe wouldnt have been happy with the money Bennett was on ,then thats up to you. You will have noticed we COULDNT spend the Armstrong money due to ffp. Like i said he has brought in absolutely loads of players in his time here.Would you have me believe he doesnt speak to the players about their contract situation? He brought in 12 players last season

It wouldnt have to be an av gate of 20k for us to become more self sufficient. We need to start being a trading club, not holding onto assets too long and onlt selling them when their value has fallen. Brentford didnt get crowds of 20k a week

How much could they potentially get from a housing project? How much more than 16 million?

We are terribly run with absent owners and a sub standard Ceo and poor manager. Those clubs you mention dont spend what we do and their fan base hasnt been destroyed by their owners. Its their fault but its reality we couldnt/cant spend and its reality the club needed an injection of cash that the owners couldnt directly put in