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Chaddy you are being daft. If say Healey had a few offers in, would you want to move on from him if he didn't decide straight away to sign for us? You act like it should be every players dream to sign for us

We don't sell one of our more highly rated players to Burnley.

The owners and board are stupid but stupid enough to sell Nyambe to our rivals near deadline day for £1m I don't think they are that stupid

The two Brighton lads and one other?

Completely out of their depth?You know this after watching the game today?So one game enough to judge. They may be only loans ,them being here may mean that our own get less minutes but does that make them bad players? Poveda got promoted with Leeds and came off the bench a number of times in the premier league so don't see how he will be out of his depth playing in the championship with us?

Still even if you feel that way I don't see how that makes Clarkson and Poveda clowns?

He isn't Gallagher up front

Get in

He said flew into Manchester airport with his parents and at the game today and he is a number 10.It was Poveda Reading up about him he was brought up in London.Perhaps he was down south with his parents prior to signing

You can guarantee we won't go down? Take loan player Elliots goals and assists out of the side last season and we could have been playing in league one today.Similar with Harwood Bellis the defence improved when he came in. There are plenty of games and our young players who are good enough will still see plenty of minutes this season.

We don't seem to have a problem getting the younger ones to sign new deals, Buckley , Costello and Carter have all signed new deals in recent months

It was the lad we signed from Leeds

Yes the players who have signed new deals will have been on the cheaper end of wages but at least it is showing some sort of forward planning by getting our more rated youngsters tied down to long term deals. In fairness Harvey Elliot and Harwood Bellis might have been cheap for us but we would have had to fight off other clubs to get them, certainly for Elliot. I don't think anyone is "happy" that we are so reliant on the loan market but some people are accepting of it and try to make the best of the situation. Constantly moaning on a message board about every single thing the club does will change absolutely nothing.

Agreed but don't think he should be playing at full back especially with the way Mowbray likes our full backs playing so far forward,he lacks the pace to get back.

What's happening with that imminent loan arrival from Liverpool?

Hope he performs better and gives more than he did in his time here

Who they signing mate?

Ffp is just something made up according to him

The clubs with 10 thousand crowds ain't carrying our Wage bill nor are they spending 5 million and 7 million on transfer fees.Try again. I keep going on about Ayala because of what you said.You criticised the club for not paying what it took to get him here.Then we do sign him you make out it cost the club hardly any money. We have still spent more In transfer fees if not then it's breaking even.We made about 10 on Armstrong and 5 on Raya.And we only received the Armstrong money 2 week ago ffs.

Selling assets? We have sold one asset in Armstrong who had 12 month left on his contract. Find it hilarious that you are calling out people for their interpretation of FFP.This coming from the man who won't accept the free transfer signings that have been made have been expensive deals, they would all of got signing on fees.You don't even include Ayala when discussing our transfer spend despite you yourself criticising the club for not paying the price to get him last year when it looked like he was heading to Saudi Arabia. With crowds of 10 thousand, sponsorship down, miniscule TV money,a wage bill far exceeding our income,spent more on transfers than received.You explain how the club isn't really under threat of not meeting FFP requirements???

Middlesbrough are well In profit on player transfers regardless if they wasted their parachute payments.

Is it massively in our favour?If I live in your world maybe yes, where the likes of Ayala and Holtby took massive wage drops with no signing on fees to join us Brereton and Gallagher were 12 alone.Armstrong would have hit a few clauses so we will say conservatively 2 million.Kaminski we paid a fee for ,Pickering,loan fees.Signing on fees for others.Plus as our wages show we are spending a lot more than we are bringing in which the owners are covering. The club must also be psychic that Armstrong was going to be worth that sort of money, he went up a level for 18 months and again through gross mismanagement we ended up getting a poor deal because of the length in his contract, but a good deal in the circumstances

Chaddy did a breakdown not too long ago of the profits they have made from player sales I can't remember the exact figures but they were well in Boro's favour.And yeah it will help signing players from abroad if you can pay what they are paying

My point with Rhodes Is Venkys are not in this to make a few million pound off player sales.There is no evidence to suggest they are. Mate the "frees" you go on about were not free they were expensive deals as you even said yourself last season regarding Ayala.And you know that Holtby ,Rodwell ,Johnson and Downing would have done well When you ain't selling any player then transfer fees of 7 million and 5 Million with our level of income is going beyond what we should be spending.The owners are putting that money in and there is no evidence to suggest that they are in this to make a bit of profit.Even last January we could have sold Armstrong if we wanted to. The stuff about the ground I agree but that isn't the part I'm arguing, I'm arguing the owners spend money on the squad but they appoint the wrong people to spend it. Like IV said I think they have no interest in us but if the manager asks he gets and they don't sell players unless they are practically forced too. I just don't get why they pay Waggott 300 grand a year and he doesn't even have the authority to clear up around the ground.These guys have loads of businesses and they want to be bothered with such trivial matters? If it takes months for a simple thing like that to be sorted out then inside the ground must have no chance of being sorted.

My argument is he wasn't bought purely to make a profit on him.I still think 40% was too much.20% standard, he wanted to leave and Newcastle weren't trying to stop him.A player is worth what someone is willing to pay and although I know Preston were in for him there wasn't that much interest in him at the time.His last loan spell in the championship with Bolton hadn't gone well and he wasn't spectacular for us in league one either