Raya and Cairney were far better than Rothwell here. I take your point on our coaching staff not getting the best out of players but Rothwell was in and out of the side in league one He is 26 and his numbers in terms of assists and goals is woeful. He is way overrated (initially by myself in his first season) because he is a nice dribbler and gets you off your seat but I soon learned not to waste my energy getting up off it as 9.5 times out of 10 he does nothing with it

Agreed the squad is shit but Rothwell's creativity appears once every ten matches or so. You can't just blame Mowbray,he was in league one before he and at the time didn't seem like we fought off a lot of clubs for his signature. And Rovers will be watched weekly by scouts data analyst etc yet Rothwell hasn't been bought despite the fact he could be got for relatively cheap

Lol if Rothwell is as good as you say then why has he spent the majority of his time here in and out of the side? Why was he not a regular at league one Oxford? Why have his unbelievable talents not been spotted by other clubs and why hasn't he been bought? Be interesting to see the calibre of the side in for him,if indeed there is actually anyone in for him? Reach has had a 5 million move in his career and played many many many more matches at championship level that Rothwell. At 26 years of age Rothwell has never been a regular

Reach is 28 years old.Yes he has had a poor last couple of seasons but not many Wednesday players come out with credit during that time. If your employer didn't pay your wages on a number of occasions but was still actively trying to employ people to your workforce would you be 100% motivated or would it affect you?

Reach probably won't be a direct replacement for Rothwell anyway.Just my opinion but don't reckon Rothwell will be that big a loss has a good 20 or 30 minute spell every 6 or 7 matches

Rothwell has also played wide for us and besides that Rothwell never been a regular certainly not in central midfield

Depends on the fee we receive for Rothwell, but if over a million and we get a more proven championship player in Reach to replace him for free then that's a good deal imo. Reach should only be given a 2 year deal and perhaps a years option in the clubs favour tho

Reach was bought for 5 Million and was a sought after player prior to the last two seasons, has decent ability and is still only 28. I take on board Sheffield Wednesdays fans views of him , however Id say they are unhappy with the majority of their players after being relegated. The club wasnt paying players including Reach their wages whilst still sounding out potential signings for the club.That is bound to have an effect on the players. He hasn't been signed up as he wants his wage which he is entitled too.I think he will be a decent signing but obviously not an Armstrong replacement

You said yesterday "Armstrong gone 15 million excluding add ons" ?

40% of any profit ,it was initial 1.7 going up to 3,If he has met those add ons then they would get 40% of 12 million if we sell for 15 they would see 4.8 million of the 15 leaving us with 10.2

Mate I don't think 15 million is a good deal for Armstrong but I think it's the best we will get.If you want to believe a premier league club will pay 20 Million for a championship striker who has one year left on his deal then that's up to you . When was the last time a Championship player with one year left on his contract,that had never been tested at premier League level left their club for a fee of 20 million or even 10 for that matter? It's as simple as this imo we can not afford to let him go for nothing if we have bids of 15 million in.With our wage bill and finances we need a big sale in the next 12 months.If it's not Armstrong who else is it going to be?Most teams in the championship with our debt levels and finances cash in on assets,it's a farce we have got to this point IL reiterate I think you are dreaming if you think we will get bids of 20 million(I would love to be wrong)

That Daka who Leicester bought was under contract for longer than a year and they paid 23 million.He was coveted by bigger teams than Leicester too. He is unproven in the premier League as is Armstrong.He has 1 year left on his deal why would Premier league teams pay 20 million+ when they can get better value for their buck abroad. If Watkins had 1 year left on his deal Aston Villa would not have been paying 26 million for him. Even if we go the part exchange route that players valuation will be taken into consideration when we are paying the 40%

Reach has better numbers than Rothwell anyway.Yeah he has had a poor couple of seasons and the Sheffield Wednesday fans don't rate him,but a lot was going on at the time, players not getting paid their wages etc. Pre the last two years Reach was rated in this division,did enough to secure a 5 million move whilst we would be lucky to get £500k for Rothwell

Rothwell was in and out of League one Oxfords side before he came here. I'm not claiming our coaching isn't as issue but in respect to Rothwell his decision making is still as poor as when he first joined. If he left and joined another team and his numbers improved dramatically then I would hold my hands up and say I got it wrong.But I don't see that happening.He is 26 years old and am yet to see him being consistent

Well they have left him out loads of times.Even now I wouldn't call Rothwell a regular. I'm not disputing he has talent but I certainly don't believe if he left us tomorrow all of a sudden his numbers would improve dramatically.His goals and assist record is poor and I don't think that all the blame can be layed at our management and coaching team.Rothwell has to take some responsibility, he does take the wrong option and he lacks discipline and intelligence when it comes to his positioning

We can't afford to wait until the end of the window if we need money brought in to make signings ourselves.If we had a healthier looking squad then yeah waiting till the end in the hope a team will panic and pay a few extra quid would possibly be the best thing to do.But we are just over a week till start of season and the squad is already riddled with injuries and looks weak .

Watkins is a far better all round player than Armstrong and like you said was tied down to a longer contract. If Watkins only had a year left he wouldn't have been bought for 26 million you also have to take into account clubs have had hardly any income for near 2 year. Also plenty of recent examples of players downing tools when coming to the end of contract.Fletcher and Britt last season amongst the most recent examples

Exactly this...plus a massive risk to a player of a long term injury. Lyle Taylor at Charlton downed tools when coming to the end of his contract, same as the two boro strikers Britt and Fletcher last year. We ain't in a position were we can just say no to bids as high as 15 million when we will get nothing for him in 12 months time

Can we guarantee that he will give 100%. I think it is fanciful to believe a sought after player playing with a year left on his deal will play to his max. 15 million is an acceptable amount for a player with only one year left on his contract who has never been tested at Premier League level and has only been performing to such a high standard for 18 month and even last season he had moments that let us down missed penalties, taking the wrong option when clear on goal. Be surprised if we get offers as high as 20

He is 26 years old, before he came here he was in and out of the team at Oxford in league one. He has one year left on his deal,wouldn't cost a lot to take him from here,funny how our door doesn't seem to be being banged down with offers. Mowbray and our coaching staff don't take to the field with Rothwell,it's not them who go missing in the matches nor is it them who take on a few players and more often than not take the wrong option.

Yeah in the hope Rothwell would fulfill his undoubted potential but he hasn't absolutely no end product and that's not all on Mowbray.Rothwell has shown a few flashes but more often than not goes missing.Way overrated by some on here

It isn't Mowbrays fault that Rothwell rarely ever has an end product. He was in and out of the team at Oxford aswell.

Yes but how would a player that didn't play the other day and then not playing on Wednesday be a clue to who is being sold? Travis didn't play the last match is what I'm getting at

Travis was out the last match so I don't think it would be a suprise not seeing him in the starting line up. JB post suggests it's someone's exclusion from the team that the played the other day , my money on Armstrong

Reach I'd guess