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Then why agree to ridiculous contract extensions and transfer fees in the first place? I'm not taking away from the fact they are shit owners but they have been stung many many times when it comes to signing players. They know nothing about football, they trust the people they put in place.If you were the owner of a football club and the manager and CEO who you trust kept asking for player contract renewals( Mulgrew,Bennett, Smallwood etc)then after a month or two those players hardly play anymore then would you not be sceptical about agreeing to future demands? It isn't the owners who decides who gets a new contract, who we pay a transfer fee for they just sign it off. The biggest issue with the owners is they won't put competent people in place not because they are penny pinching and tight with finance because they have been far from tight with finance. Even in the early days..etuthu, best, Murphy,the Portuguese contingent, these were expensive deals for them and us and we got badly stung with them. Even in the summer and with the state around the ground I refuse to believe the owners wouldnt have signed off on the couple of grand it would have cost to give the surroundings at the ground a tidy.I find it far more plausible that it was the people on the ground trying to keep outgoings as minimal as possible to show themselves in a good light to the owners after the failures on the football pitch.I don't think the venky family have any idea that around the ground was full of weeds and is in need of general maintenance,they leave that sort of stuff to the people on the ground

Well they should have invited offers for Armstrong last January then instead of deluding themselves we had a chance of promotion or that he was going to sign a new deal

Derby are under a transfer embargo as are Reading. Derby will most likely go down due to it. I'm correct in thinking you want Mowbray out?So why do you want him to be given more money to get us even into more debt? Your last paragraph is correct it is mismanagement by both the people on the ground and Venkys. The club needs to become more self sustained, we can't keep running our wage bill at 180% to our turnover. One of the main reasons we are in this mess is because we have given ridiculous contracts to ageing or substandard players with little or no resale value so I don't see what value there is in giving Mowbray more money to spend when most likely the players he brings in will be ageing journeymen with no chance of them taking us to the next level but we will be left stuck with them for 2 or 3 years or end up paying them off.Paying off player's has cost us a scary amount since in the championship The club's you mentioned in your second to last paragraph,don't spend the money we do on transfers and don't have the massive wage bill either. If we were spending similar amounts to them and finishing in the same position as those clubs then you would be on here moaning that ,"our billionaire owners" don't spend enough

Southampton will come back with another bid when Ings gets his move

Can't see anything from Sharpe on that?Saw a tweet by Crooke saying he was writing a story on it

You have said the same every year for 5 years . I think they are downscaling it but I do not see them putting us into administration but maybe it will be 5th time lucky for you

Reach got a 3 year deal at West Brom Would have been happy to see him come in but not on a 3 year contract

They sold Eze for big money last season

Yeah we were allowed to bring in players on frees for a max 10k a week but not an unlimited amount of players.Just making the point there was no need for Bowyer to go to India to discuss budgets when we couldn't spend . We ain't under an embargo this time but if we don't want to enter one then cutbacks have to happen or we need good money being brought in by selling

We were under an embargo when Koita and Delfouneso were brought in

Won't be anyone decent if they are willing to wait 6 games and after the closure of the transfer window If any substance to this rumour

Not saying they would spend it anyway but we wouldn't have been able to go out and make massive signings with ffp regulations. Like you other teams have spent considerably more but they have brought money into club by either selling players for profits and reinvesting part of the fee or have had parachute payments. Those clubs are bringing more money in through sponsership or bigger crowds. If the Venkys had given the same level of funding as they have done in the Mowbray era to say a Wilder or anyone competent we wouldnt be in the mess we are now

Ayala might not have been bought for a fee but his signing on fee would have been significant probably more than what we paid for Pears and Kaminski.The loans wouldn't have been cheap either. The deals for Johnson ,Holtby and Downing in previous seasons wouldn't have been free we would have been giving them signing on fees to bring their wages down. I think our owners are useless, but it is the team on the ground, Mowbray and Waggott etc whose fault it is for the state of the squad.The owners obviously know nothing about football,they give a budget and let the people on the ground run it.It wasn't their decision to hand out multiple lucrative contracts to ageing and substandard players or spend multi million pound transfer fees on Brererton and Gallagher when the money should have been spent better. And on the embargo they trust the people on the ground to keep us within the rules.We are a tiny part of their business empire,they probably don't think about us from one month to the next The people on the ground have got us into this mess the owners have been signing the cheques and agreeing to nearly everything Mowbray asked for .Owners too thick and pig ignorant to make a change when it's clear the people on the ground ain't up to the job .

Exactly he won't be on the same money as he was at Wednesday. He is the right age ,has over 300 appearances at this level and isn't a bad player. I dont think he is brilliant but with our budget are we likely to get any better ? Looks like no signings until the prem clubs let their kids out, lets hope they are of similar quality to Tosin, Elliot and Harwood Bellis who were 3 of our better players whilst here. It might not aid us long term in the development of some of our own young players who I think will get opportunitys regardless next season but the squad needs some quality and depth adding big time as short term it looks like a bottom half battle ,we need stay up and hopefully once his contract is up we will see some new faces in dugout and upstairs next season.

Joe Rothwell age 26 111 apps(Championship) 7 goals ,8 assists Adam Reach age 28 306 app(Championship) 31 goals 42 assists. Reach got more assists and goals than Rothwell last season too

I'd agree if the club didn't need money being brought in in the next 12 months to prevent us being sanctioned again. If we don't sell Armstrong and let him go on a free who are we selling for 10+ million next summer?

Can't wait for the movie

One thing I will say in Mowbrays defence when it comes to Rothwell (I am not a Mowbray fan). But from watching the games on ifollow the amount of times I heard Mowbray and the bench screaming at Rothwell to get further forward was unreal and Rothwell just ignoring them playing centre of the park when his attributes are primed for the final third. I am in total agreement that Rothwell is talented but I question his work rate, desire and most of all his intelligence

Raya and Cairney were far better than Rothwell here. I take your point on our coaching staff not getting the best out of players but Rothwell was in and out of the side in league one He is 26 and his numbers in terms of assists and goals is woeful. He is way overrated (initially by myself in his first season) because he is a nice dribbler and gets you off your seat but I soon learned not to waste my energy getting up off it as 9.5 times out of 10 he does nothing with it

Agreed the squad is shit but Rothwell's creativity appears once every ten matches or so. You can't just blame Mowbray,he was in league one before he and at the time didn't seem like we fought off a lot of clubs for his signature. And Rovers will be watched weekly by scouts data analyst etc yet Rothwell hasn't been bought despite the fact he could be got for relatively cheap

Lol if Rothwell is as good as you say then why has he spent the majority of his time here in and out of the side? Why was he not a regular at league one Oxford? Why have his unbelievable talents not been spotted by other clubs and why hasn't he been bought? Be interesting to see the calibre of the side in for him,if indeed there is actually anyone in for him? Reach has had a 5 million move in his career and played many many many more matches at championship level that Rothwell. At 26 years of age Rothwell has never been a regular

Reach is 28 years old.Yes he has had a poor last couple of seasons but not many Wednesday players come out with credit during that time. If your employer didn't pay your wages on a number of occasions but was still actively trying to employ people to your workforce would you be 100% motivated or would it affect you?

Reach probably won't be a direct replacement for Rothwell anyway.Just my opinion but don't reckon Rothwell will be that big a loss has a good 20 or 30 minute spell every 6 or 7 matches

Rothwell has also played wide for us and besides that Rothwell never been a regular certainly not in central midfield

Depends on the fee we receive for Rothwell, but if over a million and we get a more proven championship player in Reach to replace him for free then that's a good deal imo. Reach should only be given a 2 year deal and perhaps a years option in the clubs favour tho