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Well you must dislike 99% of players in the modern game then as all of em take a dive. And all of Breretons free kicks where fouls wether he went down easy or not

Armstrong was through if he wasn't taken down ,most likely would have been 4. And I take it you didn't see the match as every time we went forward we looked like scoring when it was 11v11

Yes but against both Forest and Cardiff we had nowhere near the first 11 I expect to play the majority of the season.Douglas, Trybull and Elliot will be major players for us this season and add Dack when he is back. I believe that with the attacking players we possess creating chances will not be a problem, but we need to be more clinical. The thing I just don't believe the squad as it is is built to go and keep thinhs I'm not fawning over the new style or saying we will definitely make the top 6. But it's like this, on deadline day the majority of posters were buzzing with our signings.The very next day we play Forest,We play shit and lose the game.All of a sudden the posters who were happy with our deadline day signings are now saying things like "no chance of top 6"" we can't create when teams sit deep" "we will be closer to relegation than promotion" All that was said without any deadline day signing included or having played a match for is yet. Pre deadline day I and I presume others felt if we didn't add a couple, a left back certainly then we wouldn't make the top 6. We added quality, had a very good window so surely it only right to wait till we have at least played a few games with the new additions before coming out with such statements. I also find it quite sad people downplaying the hammerings we fished out.Yes those teams are not great but they ain't getting hammered every week either and against Wycombe we were 3 up before any sending off.Some of the same posters calling us fast track bullies are saying Reading for automatic promotion when they have played mostly the weaker sides in the division

We were missing 13 players,5 or 6 starters v Forest. We were poor in both the forest and Cardiff games. Thing is im not the one saying things like " no chance top 6", "we will be closer to relegation than promotion" I have made my position clear,too early to judge one way or another but one thing is for certain I wouldn't be predicting doom and gloom when we signed 5 players over the summer that will improve the first 11, with 3 of them being at the club for 8 days

Not difficult to comprehend just find it extremely sad anyone would dream of labelling us so soon In the season when we have nearly half a new team. Or liking posts that suggest our two hammerings were down to our opponents were down to 10 men despite being 3-0 up already in one of the games it finished 11v11. No big massive rants about Brereton either yesterday?Or maybe you want to criticize him again for the amount of free kicks he wins with his "diving"

A recurring one?See I don't get why we are comparing this year's team with seasons gone by? We are playing a totally different game to what we have in previous years. Half the starting team is also different to previous seasons.Kaminski ,Ayala , Douglas, Trybull and Elliot.Add a much better looking Brereton and Holtby seemingly having found a position. Our style and the players are much much different so think it's way too early to say we struggle to break teams down .I can't see how this team ,squad and tactics can be compared in anyway with previous seasons.

Yes but they ain't getting hammered every week. I responded to a post where it was said 2 of our 3 hammerings were against teams down to 10 men. I just pointed out we were already 3-0 up in one of those games prior to the sending off and the sending off had nothing to do with the victory. In response to you we deserved to lose the game against Watford, but Foster did have to make a number of saves,we created plenty of chances and missed a penalty.They were also fortunate to keep 11 men on

In that case Coventry and Wycombe should be getting hammered every week.Add Derby to it aswell.Maybe leave the season progress a little and give the new players a chance to settle in before labelling us flat track bullies.

We were 3-0 up already against Wycombe before any sending off. Both sendings off were when we had players running through on goal. Should have been a sending off In the Watford game also when Armstrong running through, just tells me teams are struggling to defend against us and have to resort to fouling .

I'm not giving Mowbray a free pass as he could have changed it around tactically but at the same time I appreciate the players that were out make a big difference.Especially the midfield 3.And if other clubs had 13 out,5 or 6 starters I would expect them to struggle aswell. I also think its unfair to criticize Mowbray for not including Douglas and Trybull, both had been signed 24 hours before and both had 1 competitive game between the 2 of them this season. Also you and others keep saying we have only beaten the dross of the division,which is true but I haven't seen those teams being hammered too many times like we have done to them. Some are now calling Reading automatic promotion candidates,yet the majority of their victory's have been against the weaker sides In the division

It's too early to judge and like you say our big wins have come against the weaker teams. The one thing I take issue with is people adding the Forest game when analysing our season so far.We had 13 players unavailable,5 or 6 of those could be considered starting players.When I seen the side put out pre match I was not confident one bit we would win the match. Cardiff, we were poor no arguments from me in that game but still we had the most clear cut chances and it was criminal that Gallagher missed that chance from 2 yards out. We conceded 6 in 2 matches against relegated sides in Bournemouth and Watford.2 teams who have far superior squads than most the division and we did not have what you would consider our first choice defences in both games.The only other goal we have conceded is a deflected shot against Nottingham Forest. There is a lot more poorer teams in this division than good.The talk of us being in contention for automatic by some I find far fetched, but on the evidence so far I do think we will be amongst the top 6

I think the defence will be much improved with the arrivals of Kaminski, Ayala and Douglas and hopefully Trybull can give a better shield in front of them. We have conceded 7 goals so far 3 each coming away at Bournemouth and Watford who are both blessed with much better attacking talent than most the division, and conceded a deflected shot v Forest. Still the style Mowbray is implementing will leave us open at the back,IF we can start being a little more clinical in front of goal then we will have too much for most teams.

The two games we have failed to create chances were against Cardiff and Forest. Against Cardiff the conditions were atrocious and against Forest missing half a squad,and at least 5 of those we would have to consider starting players. It's still too early to judge how we will fare this season but I don't see many teams being able to cope with our attacking players

He has played well in front of a crowd though.Not here granted but he did do it at Forest when Warburton was in charge

Top play Brereton

Another good game by Brereton

He was on paternity leave, he returned and played against Watford. So Available today

For me Watford have far better players than us and will be going for automatic.We will be fighting for top 6 but won't go near the automatics it's as simple as that .We perform as we did v Watford we will beat Coventry. You didn't say goal threat last week you said he doesn't do anything in threatening areas I then gave 2 examples of how his play led to two goals ,him hitting the post for Dolan to put away and his driving run before playing Rothwell through for an assist which led to another goal.Of course he needs to start scoring goals to come anywhere close to justifying a 7 million fee, but THIS season he is contributing and adding value to the sid

I don't expect to win at places like Watford and Bournemouth currently no because they have much better players all round than we have.I expect those to be competing for automatic, where as we are not at that level we won't be near automatic spots. I do expect us to try and compete though which I think we did.I think Watford deserved to win the match on Wednesday night but at the same time I'm not blind to the fact we created more than enough chances to pick something up and I don't think Mowbray is at fault for a mixture of poor finishing and top goalkeeping. I don't think if we had gone defensive and/or doubled up on Sarr that would have led to us getting a result, and like I said in a previous post I also don't think starting Douglas would have either. In my opinion if we perform going forward as we did against Bournemouth and Watford we will beat a lot of teams in this division, our opponents won't have the same class to capitalise on our errors.

Simple question do you think if we played defensive or doubled up on Sarr we would have got something at Watford?I don't. And whatever you and others say we created more than enough chances in both the Watford and Bournemouth games to consider ourselves extremely unlucky to have come away pointless.I am a believer that over the course of the season these things even out,we will play a lot worse than we did in those two games and come away with a result. Also people saying disgrace that Douglas didn't start.The man has had hardly any football and has a history of injuries and we already loaned one full back with historic injury issues in Cunningham who ended up out for a season. As good a player as Douglas is in no way do his attributes lend to getting the better of Sarr. I'm still waiting on a response from you over what you said about Brereton last week, how he has done nothing in attacking area's.I pointed out he hit the post that led to a goal and set Rothwell away for an assist.Both examples of threatening play. Do you still think it's a "myth" that some fans have something against Brereton?The guy had a good match other night,scored a good goal and won countless free kicks.Instead of deserved praise one poster starts giving him shit over his "dives" when yeah he might have gone to ground easy(what player doesn't these days) but they were all fouls. We have not played our full strength 11 this season and I think it is ridiculous people judging how well or how badly we will do this season.3 players I expect to play an important part in our season have been here 7 days!

A raft of fans will eagerly point out that they were in a higher league than us last season . They were in a higher league than us last season and they have squads that cost absolute millions more than us.Sarr , Pedro, Capoue, Deeney, Grey...these players are experienced, many of them internationals and cost massive transfer fees. For a man who spends most his time moaning on here that the Venkys don't spend enough in the transfer market am suprised you think our cheap squad should be going to places like Watford and Bournemouth and picking anything up.I don't care what you say in terms of transfer spend it is David V Goliath. We went to Watford and had a go and we lost the match.I genuinely do not believe we would have got anything either if we sat back and many times on here last year people whining that Mowbray is too negative.

Ffs Douglas will be first choice left back the man has had hardly any football and has history with injuries. And look as good a signing as I think Barry Douglas is I don't believe he has the tools in his locker to compete with a player such as Sarr, his attributes don't lend to it. Elliot was not lost last night he had spells where he looked good and a few spells out of the game, again should be judged after a few games but early signs encouraging in my opinion

It's not clutching how can you judge how we will do this season when we have played 6 games and haven't even put our best side out and Forest didn't have more players out than us.Elliot , Douglas and Trybull have been at the club a week and I'm willing to put good money down that those 3 will start more often than not this season.Dack to come back. Let's revisit this conversation when we have played 12-15 games see were we are in the table then

And we were well below full strength in that match.Half a team missing

He has just brought in 3 players that will improve the starting 11 add Kaminski and Ayala that is nearly half the team improved in one window