November 1 2017 at precisely 3.22

Thats the gamble in the transfer market but if manager's worried about that they never sign anyone.

To be fair, LAmbert never met them at all. He was hired by their British representative and was only dealing with him. He made promises that were not met. Lambert has made a fair few quid by going to clubs mid-season and walking at the end of that season so his stock is now badly tarnished.

Given was signed from Celtic's youth.

Genuine question - which prolific strikers are going to be available on loan? It is going to be an unproven or journey man.

I actually think that although Smallwood did get pulled out of position easily I think Mowbray got his tactics wrong in the first half playing too wide. Once both Palmer and Bennett played a little narrower in the 2nd half we started to get a stranglehold of the game. The sacrifice in width though caused us problems as the full backs need to get forward quicker. Rothwell looked OK for 10 minutes then disappeared and am not sure of Palmer as he looked like a player who will beat a player once then try and beat them again. He needs to concentrate on the basics first.

For Gestede to have a chance of being a success we need wingers who can cross. We haven't that type of player so best to avoid especially with his injury record.

Edwards and Harrison looked impressive against us I agree but Nolan had a poor game at Ewood and if Nsiala played that day then it appears he'll get mugged every game in the Championship. I agree that some players could step up but rebuilding a championship team with only league one players could result in problems at Ipswich .

Garner may of been worth a gamble but not Windass. Hurst has already been criticised by his new fans They feel signing only league one players will put you in league one. I still suspect Venky's still feel you can run a club on short term signings, low wages and loan signings as they did on day one. I expected for few permanent sigings but feel we will be busy in the loan market in the next few weeks. I said a few weeks ago that Mowbray got his sums wrong at the start of the summer and had to go cap in hand for more money. By the time Venky's gave the go ahead it was too late.

Neither happy or disappointed as it is pretty much what was expected. The main positive is we didn't sign Jason Lowe.

Suspect he may end up back down the other side of the M65

Personally feel it shows that Evans plays well when we have more than one central midfielders playing. Remember he has played with Jason Lowe alongside him for the majority of the time here. Also Bowyer played him wrong as a holding midfielder when comparing his performances for Hull and his international caps Not the best player but he is one of our better midfielders. Maybe it is a sad statement about the quality of our central midfielders we have/had.

Really?....personally think he is 2 million overpriced and as Tyrone said he blew hot and cold in a lower league last season. A run of games where he doesn't play and starts sulking and wants away then his price will plummet.

and if he doesn't his price goes down....thats the gamble

Why would Mowbray be negotiating with Ashley? Surely this would be Waggott? Stll think if Armstrong and Chapman come back, it will only be on loan.

Where is the last city wonderkid we signed? Last season playing against us at Oldham so I'm not holding my breath. lol.

When the likes of Bournmouth get insignificent fines several years after they had premiership riches means that many championship clubs are ignoring FFP rules in the pursuit of the premiership. If FFP is to work it needs enforcing properly not just banning a couple of clubs from the transfer market. As we blew our parachute payments we can't comment on parachute payments spiralling championship prices out of control.

Yes but there is the crux of the problem when we keep bringing in players to fill spaces which our young players should be doing. Examples las season Tomlinson and Travis not getting bench places but we bring in Harper from WBA to do it. Mowbray has little confidence in our youth. Two more young players arrived this summer to compete with these two.

If this is true, it is further evidence that the Championship transfer market has gone mad and that Mowbray's budget is nowhere near the going rate at present. Not worth a tenth of that.

Of course Venkys have a plan.....it is the same as it always was. It was the same as day 1.....it is crystal clear. It is short term loans, cheap buys £5million a year budget tops. The fact that it was wrong then and is still wrong is irrelevent. Still believe Mowbray and Waggott have added to this by getting their sums wrong for this summer and their original sums have come in within the Raos original plans so the Raos are happy

I accept we don't know the budget, that it how it should be, but the signs are there that things are not going to plan. Mowbray wanted the majority of his signings in place ealry doors but only two have arrived. There is no need to panic yet and if we spend and bring in players in the coming weeks then I'll happily admit that I was wrong.

No but it may have had the possiblity of a bit extra. The charade of coming back and implying there was an adequate budget in place may have been avoided giving us fans hope of a decent summer of transfer activity. By the way I am being realistic in all of this and maybe it was Mowbray and Waggott being the ones being unrealisitic in their budget. We don't have to spend millions more, Preston proved that last season and in this close season but Bolton also proved last season that too small a budget causes major problems.

Why? We are on about first team and his performances for first team not upto scratch. He can be a world beater for the under 23s but if he is not the first team then in today's finances we can't afford him. We need players for first team

Two tap in does not represent being in form. His overall game wasn't up to scratch and his body language at times was just as poor as Samuel's. Granted did not see him in the under 23s but his first team performances were not upto scratch.

So what you are saying is that if the general price of players does not drop we will go into the season with what we've got? I also don't think Mowbray decides what we are paying. He will have given a wish list and a rough estimate of cost. The finance people will then take over. I generally think we've misjudged the market and our buget is too low in today's market. If we had gone for Rhodes on loan for example our estimated budget would be blown on a player we did not own.