We lost the appeal- it is in the thread

Difficult it is for Rovers fans to accept, we are not an attractive proposition even with money. The days of John Williams persuading people to come are long gone and I have to say Steve Waggot is in the not yet proved good enough category- Davenport is probably the only signing where silver tongues might have worked given Armstrong knew us already. Results this month are going to be critical to convince potential loanees we are not facing imminent relegation.

He is the only candidate

Millwall gave us a fright early on but thereafter Rovers remarkably comfortable as the stats show. Not winning is disappointing but a lot of draws so far in this division. Getting wins is going to be the big challenge. Fortunately we are at one of the club's which already look like they might struggle this season in our next game with a midweek cup game hopefully to reacquaint ourselves with winning.

Madison not in Peterborough squad but not stopping them winning 3-1 at Rochdale currently. Accy leading at Bristol Rovers

Glad Palmer being mentioned in same category as Dack

Davenport clearly still injured.

Again best to be pretty neutral about this extended loans only period. I more than half expect Chapman to be back for six months. Beyond this I hope we are looking at game changers rather than squad back-ups.

Clubs with significantly more net transfer spending recorded than Rovers: Stoke Leeds Forest Clubs with marginally more net spending than Rovers: Birmingham Hull City Reading Clubs which made a profit on transfer dealings this summer: Villa Middlesbrough Derby Preston NE Brentford Sheffield Unied Bristol City Ipswich Norwich Sheffield Wednesday QPR Clubs with zero transfer expenditure: Sheffield W QPR Rotherham There is another point worth emphasising with the loan window still open. About 50 of last season's loans converted into permanent transfers with recipient club at the end of the loan period- these numbers don't include Armstrong who of course returned to Newcastle at the end of his loan then was bought on a transfer apparently unrelated to his loan. So the idea that loans are meaningless in terms of permanent strengthening is shot to pieces by the evidence.

People really ought to read that list of transfers and get a grip of themselves.

I broadly disagree. In the current market, nobody knows what "value" is, especially in the Championship where 20 clubs dream of Premier League riches, perhaps half a dozen seriously gamble multi-millions to get there and only three (not necessarily the gamblers) get there. The much vaunted parachute payments are in reality balloons thrown to drowning 20 stone men- their wage bills are so inflated relative to their newly dramatically poorer situations. And there is the trap of FFP waiting to gobble up with fines and transfer bans. Rovers last season were stronger than the squad that got relegated by two miserable goal difference. We have better than replaced the outgoing loanees with permanent signings in my opinion. If we are then to kick on, we have to do so with significantly better players which means cheeky bids at the end of the window having worked the rest of the window showing we are poorer than the proverbial church mouse. This build up to the grand finale worked with the three we signed on permanent deals (would we have got Armstrong for £1.75m if Newcastle thought we had £7m available???). The problem was too many other clubs in similar positions playing similar games and not enough clubs financially distressed for a cheeky offer to work on. So McGinn, Freeman and Brereton were all excellent players to move for but the circumstances of the game as a whole resulted in us finishing empty handed when it came to making a quantum leap forward in quality players. The challenge we now have before 31 August is that every club in the Championship will be looking to do similar loan to buy deals as we will be. I do expect we will fill the numeric squad gaps but we will be lucky to land players who could turn us from bottom half to top half.

True, Just seen it in a summary.

In he last hour at the close of the window, 5 permanent Premier League deals and 17 EFL permanent deals including Accy Stanley picking up a freebie from Bala Town

Harry Houdini could be useful come next April/May judging by many posts on here.

Seven signings announced in the last ten minutes- three of them by Everton. If we had £5m burning in our pockets, made sense not to show that number while still trying to squeeze other clubs down on other players. In the end it looks like we didn't have enough dosh to match our ambition in terms of player quality and so didn't have the ability to winkle the ones we wanted out of their current clubs.

As a newly promoted club to the Championship we were not going to be that attractive to players not already familiar with Mowbray and the team spirit here. I am far happier not having spent millions than I would have been bringing in at least 75% of the players linked with us on the last 487 pages. McGinn and Freeman looked interesting as did the City youngster gone to PNE on loan. Armstrong is a deal I thought we wouldn't get so that is a big plus and let's see how Davenport and Rothwell pan out. The squad has strengthened over last season already. My gut feel was always this season was going to be about the calibre of loans we brought in. If we can pull two or three in who can make a significant difference even if the loan fees are pricey and that is where the budget goes, I won't be complaining.

Here's a little gem for you all. Only 77 permanent transfers for fees all summer prior to today. Less than one per club. And we got two (or is it three?) of them.

Still only four completed permanent signings in the whole of English football today according to the BBC.

There are four loan slots unfilled and 22 days left to fill them.

Moves them from dark horses to one of the favourites this season.

I forgot I am in a different time zone

6pm

So the BBC have recorded the grand total of 4 transfers completed so far today. Compared with a 23.00 deadline day, it is now 6pm in the evening.

Could be an interesting day. But if we sign nobody, the loans window remains open and we headroom before hitting the limit for number of loans allowed. And we are already at least as strong as we were at the end of last season and the trip to Ipswich suggests that will be good enough to avoid an early return to League 1. Would have liked McGinn but Freeman more of a known quantity at this level. Having said that we signed Gladwin from QPR..

Forget they are called Millwall and this is a side which you'd expect to be there or thereabouts. Against Boro they ran riot at times and could/should have been far more than two ahead. Then two extremely late goals pegged them back, one of which makes our defending look measured and controlled! They can play quick and tight in the final twelve yards so our defenders are going to have to be extremely alert all game. A tremendous challenge because they even more than us will be smarting from letting two points slip away on the opening day. Has a draw written all over this game but I wouldn't be surprised if this is an away win for Millwall.