Its very simple- if Todd deliberately handled the ball, it was a sending off offence. As someone else has pointed out, there is a camera angle which shows Todd flicked his hand towards the ball. You could argue that was the ultimate in cynical foul play as he tried to disguise his real intent and almost got away with it. In an appeal to the FA, you have to show that the decision by the referee was wrong- not that there is a basis for doubt. The considerable basis of doubt is where the neutrals saying it was harsh are coming from- that is comforting but not going to get Todd off the red card. The Rovers have a good track record in appeals (Todd when cited against van Persie, Zura's sending off) but twice this season have decided against challenging decisions against Todd- when he nutted Reid and now this hand ball. With a hefty fine hanging over the club if we are in disciplinary trouble at the season end, it is very much in the interest of the club to challenge every red card but I guess Hughes has decided that he prefers to go to Soho Square with a reputation of doing so when he has strong cases and winning them rather than risk his track record when there is a camera shot which has caught Todd bang to rights.

Come on EiT, get real. Hearts have a ground location which whilst not prime Edinburgh is worth quite a few bob- that's why there was the broohaha up there about flogging Tynecastle and moving to Murrayfield, remember? Then, Romanov would have bought the SPL title this season for sure if he and the kid didn't think they were playing Champions Manager Jocks Edition and hadn't got shot of Burley. How much has Romanov spent? Well he's managed a few debts, sunk about £3m investment into transfers and has a wage bill that is less than 50% of the Rovers' (perhaps much less). He is probably not far short of washing his face with Hearts as crowds are averaging 16,000 or so, the Sultana TV deal whilst a pittance compared with the EPL is one the Coca Cola boys would willingly take and.... here's the rub, as expected, UEFA have changed the Champs League rules so that it is highly likely the SPL champs will walk straight into the Group Stage and £10m guarranteed. That looks like smart business if Romanov can keep his hands off the playing side and homo-erotic fun or whatever turns those guys on if he cannot resist the urge to play with the players. Quite honestly, all these calls for the Walker Trust to sell out of Rovers are sheer barking madness. The Rovers are highly professionally run under the wing of the Trust, are guarranteed £3m gift money a year plus have averaged another £3m a year written off each year since Jack died plus the Trust facilitates extraordinarilly generous borrowing enabling the club to go out and buy the likes of Cole and Bellamy (yes, that oik who turned up this summer). One other factor. Taking the Trust at face value (and why would they lie?)- when interviewed after Jack's death, the Chairman of the Trustees (who is not a Rovers Director I believe- another Trust person, one of their top business guys sits on the board following the reorganisation which saw JW become executive chairman) said: Blackburn Rovers are one of the beneficiaries of the Trust and that the annual surplusses of the other businesses are split between the beneficiaries. Of course surplusses can be book profits or actual cash. Large book profits and capital gains do not equal cash available for handing out to the beneficiaries so as the Trustees primary aim is good husbandry of the Trust assets for the benefit of all the beneficiaries, they aren't going to go rushing out with a cheque book to keep a dwindling bunch of fans at Ewood happy. However, (and I don't want to build up hopes unrealistically) the Trustees have indicated that Flybe is so successful that it has become a disproportionately large element of the Trust's portfolio and they are looking for a buyer accordingly. IF they sell Flybe well and IF they sell for cash, there MIGHT be a windfall for Rovers as a beneficiary qualifying for a handout- if things work as simply as the Chairman of the Trustees indicated. So I hardly think that now is the time to be wishing our way out of the Jack Walker Trust. Now I don't know how long the Jack Walker Trust is envisaged to last but large trusts such as JWT which have a very varied set of beneficiaries (eg family and charities), some of which are themselves long lasting (such as BRFC) tend to have correspondingly long term existances. I know of one trust funding a group of churches which is well over 200 years old. A final point, rich successful people tend to be pretty unpleasant SoBs. Vinjay might need a paternalistic figure to whom he can relate to as the owner of the Rovers but VERY few of these guys are angels- look at Rupert Bear at Soton, Mandaric at Pompey, Brown at West Ham, Deadly Doug, Porn boys at Brum, Publicity Pete at Leeds, Reading fans hate Madjeski, Fat Freddie, Ken Bates etc etc. OK Steve Gibson at Boro might be a shining knight amongst the dross but what has he achieved which the Walker Trust hasn't? Whom is there who would buy Rovers and would have the club and supporters' best interests at heart? If you are thinking about somebody buying Rovers, just imagine if Chesh owned the club....

Hmm, I read that somewhere else... Not surprised- there's certainly one camera angle which looks rather incriminating for Toddy. Saves Hughes the difficult task of dropping Todd. Just hope that Nelsen and Zurab put the hours in to make sure they get back to best form together- it is quite a while since they had a run of games playing together as central defenders.

November 1995. Jack opened the Jack Walker stand and Rovers celebrated the club's 120th birthday in style.

Great preview tcj. One error- we pasted Nottingham Forest 7-0 to record our biggest win in the Prem. Totally agree with your selection. Who knows which Rovers side turns up this Saturday- the lucky one or the unlucky one (alternatively the one which can convert easy chances or the other one). What is highly likely is that it will be an entertaining game, particularly if both Tugay and Benayoun get playing. After Saturday, this is in the must win category if a top half placing by Christmas is to be achieved. I think the score draw is the most realistic forecast though: 2-2.

I think it was harsh but there is one camera angle which is a problem. Having been sent off, isn't the onus on Todd to prove his innocence? (Rather than the van Persie case where he was not punished during the game but had a case to answer afterwards). I have read one report that Rovers aren't going to challenge the sending off. Does anyone know what the situation is? Incidentally, I do think we are being reffed according to reputation and not reality. If you look at the BBC's scores for refs we seem to have disproportionately more poor performances in our games.

Back down to earth with a grinding bump! Have to say that Bentley isn't a forward so playing 4-4-1-1 was effectively inviting a repeat of the Newcastle result which Everton were only too happy to oblige. From what I've seen, we played gorgeous football for 30 minutes and still kept at it until heads went down as the second half went on. MGP's horror misses from inside the six yard box are undoubtedly what cost us three points today aided by a very dubious sending off (which resulted in Bellamy gobbing off and getting booked as well). Palsey is rubbish when he refs our games. To be honest I am not sure Todd will get off this one- there must be a camera angle which shows he was a bit cynical the way he let the ball hit his arm. But no way should the officials have red carded him in the first place. Well, we were just getting to the point of Hughes super-hero for having the balls to bench Savage and Emerton when Toogs turns in a very poor performance, Todd continues the crap form he's been showing all season, Friedel has another iffy one, Neill and Nelsen have a relative off day and MGP cannot hit the proverbial whilst continuing his dismal run of crossing and corner taking.... West Ham becomes a buttock clencher next week if we are not to rejoin the troubled souls at the bottom.

Cannot say that Hughes isn't his own man. Here's hoping Sav and Emo respond positively but this sends a very clear message to all the squad. Dickov still not fit? We will need to take our chances with a 4-4-1-1 formation.

A friendly otter? You mean one of these eight foot long weasles?

That is a very open-hearted post USA but I think you are too hard on yourself. Souness has got football management ability. The Rovers under Kidd were the biggest disgrace in football- I remember watching us lose 2-1 at Swindon producing the most inept disjointed performance I have ever witnessed from a Blackburn team (and that is after watching some horror shows like the 0-4 at Reading, the 0-5 at Coventry and the 0-6 at Citeh). Souness came to Rovers from the football scrap heap- he was just about unemployable but Jack saw that he could get results and boy did Souness turn us round faster than any of us expected- Promotion, League Cup then UEFA qualification through coming sixth. The problem with Souness is his ego and nasty brutish character and with Jack dead and his managerial career rescued by three good seasons, then all the rubbish USA described above cut in. I was slow to change sides into the anti-Souness camp but by the spring of 2004 I badly wanted Souness out of Ewood and was elated by the "humilation" of Newcastle pinching off us again. It wasn't pay back in equal measure for taking Gordon Lee, cheating us on Roger Jones, all the garbage we got from Lord westwood, Keegan's romancing of Shearer etc. but let's say that taking Souness and his garbage backroom staff plus giving us £1.65m compensation felt like it was at least the equivalent of admission of guilt. I hated losing 0-3 to Newcastle but in a way we got a laugh on them because they didn't fire Souness. With him in charge they will occasionally flatter but will achieve nothing. Long may it continue and Fat Freddie be too scared of the cost of getting rid. Here's to the Newcastle training ground brawls and the injury list extending- hard training pitches indeed!

I was too young to be at the 1960 games but I can certainly confirm the game at Pompey. In fact we had been one down at Ewood (neil Webb scoring) and came back to win 2-1. Then at Pompey in one of my all time favourite games, we went 2-0 down (Neil Webb scored both of them) and stormed back to win 4-2 with a Garner hattrick- the last scored when he was flat on his back and still managed to hook the ball in. Garner's second included a mesmerising piece of wing work by Brotherston who I am sure beat his full back three times before crossing to Garner who had made space for himself on the edge of the area and volleyed it home. Delirium on the open end!

Tomorrow is Everton's 4,000th game in top flight football for the anoraks out there. They are easily ahead of all other clubs. I like this Everton preview of the game. Makes a lot of good points. I liked the description of Emerton as a rich man's Stan Lazaridis.

A (temporary?) solution to the squirrel problem.

Brilliant deal by Rovers! According to Newcastle's accounts, they paid £1.65m compensation to Rovers to pinch our failing management team. Even better- Glenn Roeder might step up to take charge when Souness is sacked. What would the world of football comedy do without Fat Freddie and Newcastle United?

More good news for Gav.

I will just say: Blackburn Rovers 0 Newcastle no midfield 3

Can I suggest the answer is you are all correct? 1) Savage is one of the best midfielders in the Premiership. The evidence is not only in the Optim and Opta statistics but in the fact that, mysteriously, the best midfields in the country somehow don't get going against Rovers. Arsenal on Saturday being the latest case in point. 2) That said Savage has recently been making mistakes which directly led to goals- all three Arsenal goals involved Savage "failures" if you are being harsh and moaning about a blonde haired mop being close to where the action was. Number 2 came straight from a mis-hit Savage pass. Sounds like one of the Charlton goals was down to Savage as well. 3) Savage does go in for histrionics which are downright embarassing and often stray into the realms of being disgraceful. To what extent this is the nature of the player or simply goes with the territory of putting the opposition's professionals off their game, I don't know, but some of it is pretty nauseating.

In other words, Bentley isn't a natural forward. Shame about the Rovers supporters missing the game but surely it is better to watch the game seated than be stood up outside the ground?

Great preview 1864- glad your mate Ste rates Duncan McKenzie so highly amongst the great players that have graced the Toffees in recent decades. I cannot see Everton winning this one which has set alarm bells ringing that we'll come a cropper! Given Rovers seem to be making a habit of winning spectacularly, I'm going for a rousing 4-2 (I know Everton don't score but something not quite right at the back for Rovers at the moment) to bring the punters back to witness the following week's dull as dish water 0-0 with the Hammers.

Brilliant result and well done everyone for making this thread such an entertaining read! Of course, I had the benefit of knowing the result. The press seems to be focussing on Charlton's woes rather than the Rovers' achievement - so when did they become more interesting than us? Very good news to see three fringe players scoring- the increase in competition for places can only be good. Does the flak Savage received from some quarters mean that Steven Reid had a good game? On the down side, our defence was described as "sleepy"- was that Todd or has some of the lustre gone from the Admiral? Whatever, a brilliant result. Would prefer not to be facing Arsenal or Man U next round but whoever we draw home or away is going to be a tough match at this stage. Half the clubs left are Lancastrian so there is a three in seven chance of getting a derby draw to get the pulses racing. One side point, I clicked on a story about Rovers and found I was reading about Doncaster. Those lads from Donny are doing very well but they've got to remember there's only one Rovers....

It is frustrating that of the youngsters coming through, the two with the most natural gifts are the two which seem to have had the biggest mindset problems- Gally and McEveley. Hopefully Jay's injury is not serious but if its the knee that was dislocated it could be a big problem. Incidentally, Drench is out on loan at Morecambe so it is still six out with the return of Jemal. If any of the loanees are to break through into our Premiership side, I'd expect to be hearing rave reviews by now. That isn't happening which could explain the decision to have three youngsters training with the senior squad now. Combined with the emphasis on youth in the Reserves, the Rovers are showing that youngsters can progress from the Academy which must help the club in recruiting the better talent out there. I noticed that Chief Scout Terry Darracot has retired by the way. Been with the Rovers 12 years and has been a good servant of the club.

Chelsea are averaging 3 goals per game at Stamfoed Bridge and Arsenal are averaging 2.4 per game at Highbury.

Interesting read AESF. A couple of corrections - only the North End and Clock End will be demolished and new built, the other two stands will be converted and the pitch will become a communal garden- a bit like it is now but they'll change the grass mono-culture. - Kuqui's shot actually went out for a throw in several yards upfield from the goal line. Kuqui is not my idea of an ideal forward. But I wonder if certain posters would give him as much stick if he were called Cook and came from Kirkham? Incidentally I agree that some French buildings have a lot to teach the English. Especially as much of it is designed by British architects who have to go to France to find clients willing to pay for their brilliant designs.

Andy Reid played in the same game the guy who wrote that piece watched yesterday.

No wonder the world is a strange and terrifying place for you if you misunderstand so much when you read. The subject of my sentence was Blackburn Rovers, not Zura. i.e. The current Blackburn Rovers squad + a quality striker signing + a creative midfielder signing + Zura signed permanently = a Blackburn Rovers side good enough to expect to get points when visiting Arsenal. PS Both you and den are right about Savage. Most teams visiting Highbury get mauled in the midfield (even post-Viera) and Savage was the single most important reason Rovers turned in such a good performance. Having said that, Savage lost the ball cheaply at the end of the First Half and two passes later it was in the back of our net. Arguably, he should have been tracking back with Fabregas to stop him getting time and space 30 yards from goal for the Arsenal opener and van Persie skinned both Gray and Savage for that stunning third.