Post of the year so far!

I agree. I was mulling over the same question myself today. I'd have to defer to eminent historians of the Club like Parson but I can't remember any manager in my 54 years of supporting us having such a dire period. Especially as you say, a manager in the so called " honeymoon period" when you would normally expect a bit of a (positive) reaction, even if not a full fledged "bounce"!

Going into reverse gear already after an 85th minute equaliser Chadster. You've already said you "hope he proves me wrong" after previously saying he had to go following the Boro game. If memory serves me correctly, prior to that, a few days before the Boro game, you were attacking martonrover for, in your view, judging Ismael too quickly. Just for the sake of clarity, so we know where we stand, what is your position now? In or out?

Have to confess.....I wouldn't have minded if we'd come back to win but if VI gets any credit in the Bank from the ownership for that point then I'd rather we'd lost 2-0. Lest we forget in the last 6 games we-ve conceded goals in the 3rd and 7th minute 19th minute 4th minute 20th minute 2nd and 8th minute 16th minute and.......... in seven games we haven't been ahead for a single minute of his stewardship! He's obviously only got the job, not because he-s any good these days but because he's cheap and has agreed to try and work with any old rubbish they sling in his direction. Needs to be gone yesterday along with the owners and the 3 stooges. Otherwise there'll be tears.

Opening goal conceded inside 20 mins in the last six games. We-re not even competitive under this bloke.

Maybe you could watch it until we go behind and as such the game is likely to be over? Surely you can spare 5 mins?

I don't want this to be an over-riding objective that has to be implemented at the expense of the team no matter what, but I've seen little evidence that VI has any particular appetite to get these 2-3000 Academy minutes in so far.

Great post, you nailed it there with the catastrophic consequences of refusing to listen to Eustace's concerns. Maybe if he had sidelined Lowe and didn't get on with Gestede as alleged by one of the so called insiders, those were key reasons for not wanting to extend his deal.

Wonder why JDT also left. Was he just "greedy" as well? Or did they both just want to try and achieve some measure of success.

On the contrary, the way they keep talking about changing the style of play, and describing the prospect of losing at least 10-12 players in summer as being "exciting", and insinuating we'll be OK when we bring players in who can actually play to VI'S methods. All that suggests they actually deliberately sabotaged the play off attempt in favour of going backwards to embark from scratch on yet another Uncle Tone type never ending "journeys" with no end goal or destination in mind.

"I have (been )totally respectful to yourself and others but (if you think) I didn't know the situation before the last 2 weeks then you are deluded." Lol.

So you think the 3 stooges and the way they run the Club are/we're completely irrelevant? I'm astounded if so.

The situation with VI gets more and more bizarre. If he can only be sacked compo free WITHIN the first few months, that would look as if they knew full well he was likely to bomb and that he was only brought in short term to deliberately sabotage any play off attempt. It would be more normal I'd presume for there to be a window AFTER 3 months in which either party can walk away if they choose. If that's the case it's still bizarre as you'd imagine VI would be busting a gut to impress during his probationary period. It will do his long term prospects no good at all if he bombs and gets sacked after 3 months. Instead he looks completely disinterested and as though he doesn't want to be here any more than any of the supporters want him here. His demeanour is that of someone who couldn't care less because he knows he can't be shifted without a full pay out for the entire length of his contract. I suppose either way we have to pray there is some sort of break clause in existence. Without it I dread to think where we'd end up. Non League after 3 successive relegations hypothetically.

We agreed on the need for a short term. motivator but your disdain and disregard for Eustace leaving looks more and more misjudged with every passing week. Not really in favour of Lowe being re-appointed for any length of time tbh.

Is there not a counter argument to that which runs along the lines of "No-one could possibly be that stupid"?

The rumours about all being not as it seems with Lowe's employment have been doing the rounds for years. Something definitely not right there. As for the suggestions coming out that Waggott is to some extent an innocent victim in this and isn't the main problem - I'd wager those are emanating from errrr.......Waggott. Technically, Pasha answers to Waggott and we've been hearing for a few seasons that Waggott's only a figurehead and will be retiring at the end of the season anyway blah blah and he never does and has recently taken a huge uplift in remuneration to boot - whilst other areas of the Club starve. At the very least, even if Pasha does has the final say or the owners' ear, Waggott goes along with it all and is complicit. They're ALL equally to blame.and need removing. Ultimately of course the blame lies with our absentee landlord owners for turning a blind eye and letting them all get away with it. Been happening the the majority of their regime under a sizeable selection of different shysters.

The three (four with Owen?) imbeciles running the Club have created a real problem by a) Appointing this guy in the first place. and b ) Giving him a three and a half year deal. Not one supporter would have picked him and I think it's clear even at this early stage that the players just aren't having him and it won't work. Probably not much point sacking him before the end of this season now but I'd hate to think he'd still be in charge for the first game of the next campaign. You could perhaps cut him some slack if we were playing well but not quite getting results but typically we're conceding the opening goal inside the first 5 mins and not even looking like scoring ourselves. If we continue at this rate next season we'll go down with about 8 points. Terrifying

Is that Boro's fans or ours advising Ismael he's getting sacked in the morning?

Wasnt very full to start with but the BBE has completely emptied second half.

Do we think we'll score another goal before the end of the season? Let alone win a game?

Naughty from Dolan there. We're witnessing a complete meltdown in morale, discipline, everything.

"Steve Waggott, you're a wanker, you're a wanker." Music to the ears.

Well we excelled ourselves tonight - couldn't even hold out for the usual 3 minutes. At kick off was explaining to the missus how we'd conceded early in every Ismael game. 45 seconds later the ball flew in right on cue. Edit: and now two! The players look like they're trying to get Ismael removed at this point.

On Ribeiro, he's OK, arguably better than Pickering but the real story behind the headline is that we will be weaker next season at LB as unsurprisingly we are making no effort whatsoever to sign Beck which is what a genuinely ambitious Club with aspirations should be doing.

Thank God.