It's not really the time to be leaping to the defence of the Club and to be trying to shoot down any criticism quite so aggressively Chadster.

It's not going to be "extra" money though, it's likely to be less overall just that whatever there is will start coming in earlier. In answer to your earlier post I'm fully aware that all they're bothered about is hitting the overall revenue target as opposed to putting extra bums on seats but if that already pathetic £4k adult take up is decimated still further (which I think it will be) I can't see how they can get anywhere near their financia target.l

On the back of the ludicrous decision to raise prices in the BBE and probably the Ismael effect, my mates son, who has been keen as mustard the last few years even during pretty lean times, is considering not renewing. If he doesn't I doubt his Dad will either. If he is thinking of not renewing the Club have got major problems. I don't think the penny has dropped with them how bad it's likely to be yet.

What I found surprising if true is that VI apparently actually admitted in interview that he was waiting for the international break to implement his own tactics. If that's true, he's effectively admitting to basically writing the season off and sabotaging any play off chances when he arrived. Well it's worked. And how.

It is, certain posters just like slating the referee for the sake of it. In general, if the officials make a bad decision the team need to get over it. It's not due to dodgy officiating we're heading for one point out of (fifteen is it?) I've lost count.

Give it a rest for 5 mins.

I'm not a Woy fan but I don't think you can put him in that Company. The players clearly don't like Ismael, I'm getting very Jim Iley like vibes from this appointment. They should have gone with our suggestion of Warnock until the end of the season Good job with our usual perceptiveness we gave him a 3 year deal

I thought the players at least played for Coyle, we just couldn't defend under him.Especially coming into the last few minutes of games. It took this guy just ninety minutes plus three minutes of the Derby game.to dismantle any play off hopes. He could soon be setting all sets of records for the wrong reasons.

Other than Norwich we've conceded in the first 20 mins under Ismael in every game. We're not even competitive under him.

.Makes a change to hear you say that about the officials! Lol.

I'd rather they left and we got new owners who were well meaning and committed but who were also willing and able to fund the Club. If you're saying that Venkys are choosing not to put money in as opposed to being prevented from doing so because of the Court case I agree with that. Whether or not in a year with no sales they would inject just enough money to prevent us from going under is yet to be tested. However Im fairly certain they'll never fund us properly in a way that would allow us to progress and or to develop and sell on players. Hypothetically if the Court case was finished and they were still willing and able to inject £20m p.a. into the team and Club infrastructure regardless of net transfer activity then we might be better off with that than with well meaning but skint owners AS LONG AS we had proper management on the ground and a decent Head Coach to ensure the money didnt go to waste as it always has in the past. . It's a moot point though as it will never happen; it seems fairly clear they've given up on the Club and they never employed suitable staff even when they had a modicum of interest.

The problem the Trust or WATR have is that they have to try and keep a foot in the door with the Club because I imagine their ultimate aim is a seat or two on the Board regardless of who the owners are. Much harder to ever achieve that if you're shoved out of the picture altogether. For that reason I dont feel they haven't represented my views for quite some time now. in my view these are fairly unprecedented times requiring out of the ordinary responses. I'm reminded of the time Waggott tried to sneak through the sale of the training ground on the sly. The silence from the Trust was deafening.

I disagree slightly, over here the focus needs to be on making life for Waggott and Pasha as unpleasant as possible but there must be ways of causing them constant embarrassment back in India through the written, verbal and social media mustn't there?

Roughly translates as: "We're aware of the fan unrest and we couldn't give a shit".

They've said they'll be there, and you wouldn't expect anything different really. But that doesn't matter really, you've done a brilliant job of putting the state of the Club firmly back in the public spotlight. The owners usefulness expired when they stopped putting money in around the same time as the Court proceedings and unless they're prepared to change their mind, they need to be gone ASAP. In the very short term though the vitriol needs to be directed towards Waggott and Pasha, they've got away with murder for far too long whilst they run the Club into the ground and attending the remaining games needs to be made a pretty unpleasant experience for them. I liked the softly softly approach of the guy who was on Talksport this morning. Ruled out action to directly disrupt matches as he acknowledged a lot of supporters still liked going to games and supporting the team. Makes you look reasonable and allows you to keep the moral high ground. Well done to all concerned.

Just randomly heard someone from BRFC Actuon Group (whoever they are) on the radio on Talksport as I was driving along. The Radio Station were making quite a big thing of the fact that they were asking Waggott, Pasha and Gestede to stay away from the last 8 games. They gave the lad that was on from the group a very sympathetic airing. Well done to those involved for getting this into the public consciousness, and as others have said, if the owners become aware the spotlight of unwelcome publicity I'd finally turning on them it may start to have a snowball effect.

Might be getting to the nub of it there Ian, although I doubt similar considerations would apply to someone who "only" has a credit line of c £10m and Venky's who are "allegedly" worth several billion. Unless of course they know there's a lot more trouble to come further down the line that hasn't been discovered yet.

That would be my understanding as well.

.....not being their fault.

Yeah the Court judgement reproduced on here a while ago referred to a guarantee and if a "guarantee" has the same meaning as it does over here it merely means that you only become liable if something goes wrong. You don't have to start lodging equivalent financial bonds by way of security etc. I suspect Jackson hasn't got a clue what the situation is but keeps repeating this "double bubble" line which probably isn't correct and really isn't helpful. To be fair Waggott himself has said there is no impediment to the owners funding the Club on numerous occasions. If there was I'd have thought he wouldn't be able to wait to tell us about it and try and frame it as no

Come on everyone, that's not the spirit. Get your hands in your pockets! Emmanuel Dennis doesn't sit on the bench or in the treatment room for free you know!

Yeah, I was thinking that if sales tank (which is likely) they can just announce "early bird offer extended" and try and dress it up as some sort of huge concession on their part.

I agree. In my opinion these Court proceedings are now a complete red herring and have been for some time. There's nothing really stopping them from transferring money to the Club, they merely have to provide a guarantee covered by their personal assets if they do so. They seemingly aren't prepared to do this and just don't seem to want to fund the Club anymore full stop. Helps when the local media and large sections of the fan base still perpetuate this myth about the poor unfortunate things having to deposit double to match any money sent over though.

Do we think there's any other Club in the Fotball League that would only be aiming to fill around 15% of its Stadium with ST Holders, and who would put tickets on initial sale without divulging the price in subsequent phases?

Agree entirely. This seems like a desperate early cash grab to me - and they can't even get that right! If I was renewing my lapsed ticket (which I'm not) I think I'd be purchasing using a credit card in case things go bump mid season.