RevidgeBlue

Absolute waste of time and money bringing loanees in to finish 15th. Then back to square one at the start of each season. The only way to genuinely progress is to develop our own youngsters.

Way too much credit being given to the Walker Trust, we were on the decline as a Club well before they left, the taps had been turned off completely and even when they were putting in relatively small amounts to cover losses it would never have been anything which put their own Finances at risk. Also the Family was the Trust. It wasn't some separate mysterious shadowy entity.

Yes, as JH points out, we are one of only 4 Clubs not to have released any season ticket details. Doesn't really need emphasising but yet again begs the question of what Waggott actually does to justify his £300k p.a. Edit: Just think the owners could have had the place buzzing by sacking the Coventrio within a couple of weeks of the season ending, putting in an innovative managerial appointment and reducing season tickets back to 2019/20 levels. Instead we're one of only 4 Clubs who haven't released details, yet despite that there's barely any sense of anticipation as the season is bound to be another disaster if Mowbray's still here and the only variable will be in wondering how much Waggott is going to put up prices this time round.

You've sucked me in now, it'd be like anything else, I'm sure you'd be able to find different stats portraying him in both a positive and negative light dependant upon your agenda and the point you were trying to prove.

If Joe and Andy insist on inflicting data analytics on us then could they perhaps start up a separate thread for it? That way those who wish to read it can, those who don't wish to don't have to, and important threads won't get derailed or ruined with this garbage.

So basically then ....... by your own admission........ the table is virtually meaningless!

Haven't read the replies other than on the last page of this thread but I have to say if everyone is debating last night's game seriously you're easily pleased. I never usually bother with England between tournaments but was free last night so thought I'd tune in and see where we're at these days. Never seen such a load of crap in my life, load of fancy Dan's playing tippy tippy football with zero penetration and the only real passion being shown was for trying to buy cheap free kicks with exaggerated falls for minimal contact. What really got my goat was when Lingard I think was substituted and he Southgate and the coaching staff were all high fiveing one another like they'd won the World Cup. A proper manager would have been giving the players the cold shoulder for putting in such an abject performance. All in all I was left fairly speechless. Really can't see us doing anything with that muppet Southgate in charge.

Much like the alleged parting of the ways with Mowbray!

Yep, any discounts promised last year will no doubt be wiped out by price hikes over the next season or two. A point I stressed at the time. They're completely meaningless unless combined with a price freeze for a specified period which is subsequently honoured.

That simply doesn't wash John. If there was more robust criticism of the footballing side (which I doubt) it needs to be recorded in the minutes as a matter of record in case things deteriorate even further (if that's possible) so you can refer to it at a later date if needed.

We've already seen that by the way in the Fans Forum minutes. Lynsey Talbot saying numbers are likely to be down because people will be wary of attending because of covid etc etc. Not blaming Lynsey, only saying what she's been told to, but the major reasons will be obviously the Mowbray effect and the Brockhall fiasco. Whilst the Forum seemingly sat there like the 3 wise monkeys.

Four goals in 39 suggests otherwise.

Spot on.

Three Club rule. Must admit if we replaced a £20m plus striker with a 31 year old loanee and one with a poor recent record and a history of being difficult that would be the last straw for most with this management. If there's anyone still left in that category. If still here Mowbray and Waggott would probably do it out of spite and then blame it on not being able to sell Brockhall.

I know, but................. Disagree Armstrong holds all the aces. If the owners say he's going nowhere for c £15 m then that's the end of the matter. Undoubtedly it would be the pragmatic move to cash in on him this summer. It would be an even better move to get a proper manager in and offer him a new deal.

Don't think the owners will sell him for that. Or anything like.

In League 1?

Some pointed questions about Mowbray but overall a pretty disgraceful lack of response from The Forum there who once again have let Waggott get away with absolute murder. The sort of things we needed to know are: Who shelved the Brockhall fiasco Why was it shelved How much money was wasted on the aborted scheme? Are there now plans to upgrade the facilities on the existing sites Did Waggott ever specifically ask the owners to commit to a new £2m stitch pitch or was it his decision not to go ahead Who made the decision that according to SW Mowbray would be staying? The owners or was the decision left to him? Overall all you ever tend to read is things like "We've been caught red handed with our fingers in the cookie jar over Brockhall but we'll just brush it under the carpet and pretend it never happened" "I know we promised a brand new state of the art pitch to deflect criticism when we had a game called off but that isn't happening and we'll pretend we never promised that either" I know we haven't been able to get new kits or season tickets on sale but we're hopeful we'll be able to do so sometime soon" "We haven't been able to pull off any contract negotiations" and everyone seemingly sits there and says nothing or even sympathises. Goes without saying it's an absolute shambles from the Club but nowhere near good enough from the Forum either.

On a serious note the owners are so far missing a trick big style once again here as it's difficult to imagine that any ST launch won't have the feel of a lead balloon if Mowbray, Waggott and Venus are still here. And that's before considering whether or not Waggott will introduce another huge price hike. Just imagine the difference in outlook and new found feeling of optimism were the Coventrio potted, for the sake of argument Hughes or Ainsworth were appointed, and season tickets went on sale a couple of days after that!

The manager's no bloody good and isn't getting the best of his players! And no amount of data analysis or research can change or gloss over that fact. And for me it doesn't matter a jot whether you play like Guardiola or Dyche IF you're winning every game. I have a bit of an issue with rubbish football if you're only scraping to safety every season under say Allardyce but that's a different argument Sorry to sound harsh Andy, I wish you well in your future career path if that is your passion, it's just not for me at all I'm afraid.

Might explain partly why we can never get any deals over the line. The analysts spend hours compiling a list of targets then we put offers in commensurate with our budget which don't match those of the players in question or their agents.

Also the oldest saying in the book, "There are lies, damn lies and statistics". (Benjamin Disraeli)

I lost interest in anything this guy had to say when he defended Mowbray recently by claiming under nearly every metric we had progressed. Clearly after a job with the Club or already involved with the Club in some way on this nonsensical analytics lark. I had cause to Google Glynn Chamberlain at the weekend who is our head of European scouting and I found it very refreshing that he bucked this trend somewhat by having written in an article on scouting that nothing beat casting an experienced eye over a player. Also it might be just me, but I can't see the use of analytics tools if they can't incorporate whether or not a players wage demands. I'm sure you can spend a few hours compiling a list of the top ten players with the most passes in a certain part of the pitch blah blah but if their financial demands are out of your league then it's a complete waste of time. Stats don't tell you if a player has heart or whether they fancy a freezing Tuesday night in February away at Barnsley etc either.

In my case that would definitely clear the place!

I think that's incredibly harsh on Shearer. We were going nowhere under Harford when he left. I've also never heard him speak anything other than fondly about his time here or than with great respect for the Club. Rumour has it he made a very substantial donation to the building of the Academy before he left and that might not have been the sole extent of his input in that respect either.