RevidgeBlue

Not really sure where you're coming from apart from taking a contrary point of view. If the owners really wanted to spend several million pounds a year hiring either of the above they could easily afford to do so and if you lost Mulgrew Bennett and Evans off the wage bill that would more or less cover the cost. The problem is they have seemingly never really understood the importance of the manager and probably think it's just a "coach" that stands on the side of the pitch setting the team up. A job anyone could do, hence replacing Allardyce with Kean and since then plumping for cheaper (potentially) up and coming or out of work managers - as was Mowbray.

Kaminsky - massive upgrade on Walton but then anyone would be. Not convinced he's as good as Raya but good signing 8/10. Pears - looks poor. 3/10. Greek keeper - what's the point? Impossible to rate. Douglas - extremely disappointing given all the hype before he arrived. Looks a busted flush and not as good as Bell on current evidence. 3/10 Ayala - good when he plays but is his heart in it? My mate's son says Boro fans reckon he always used to go AWOL around Christmas. 7/10. Trybull - completely pointless player and signing imo. No wonder Norwich wanted him off the wage bill. 3/10. Downing - another completely pointless signing and waste of a wage 4/10 Dolan - cracking player and signing, a real bonus. The manager seems to be doing his level best to marginalise and ruin him right now. 8/10 Elliott 9/10 obviously a great talent but like Tosin before him not our player so we have to take advantage of our talented loanees for the time we have them otherwise ultimately whilst the player might do very well individually, unless we get promoted the signing can't be viewed as a particular success from the Club's point of view, it's just dead money and you're back to square one the following season. So two or three real successes in there, pretty good by Mowbray's standards considering how poor he has been in the market prior to that. Despite the upgrade in personnel however, he is still unable to get any sort of consistent tune out of the team.

Didnt realise everyone was.

Lazy argument. Bilic, Pearson. There's 2. Pay them enough, they will come. One of the owners main problems has been that whilst they don't seem to mind their money being wasted on most things, they have never really with the possible exception of Lambert invested heavily in probably the most important man at the Club, the manager. Hence the reason we're now stuck in permanent no-man's land (at best) with Gary Bowyer Mark 2.

Lot of revisionism here trying to make out that Gallagher would be ok put in the middle. He isn't very good, never has been very good and never will be very good. As I said above when he was here the first time round his main attribute was his willingness and his ability to run the channels all day and make a nuisance of himself but since bulking up seems to have lost that and he has no strikers instinct or anticipation whatsoever. It's utter lunacy to even contemplate shoving a guy who is averaging three goals every four games out wide to accommodate him. Gallagher is a poor player who Mowbray wasted £5m on because he knew him and liked him. End of.

Not listened to the podcast, but I said repeatedly at the time he was here Marshall stunk the place out with his attitude and this would seem to confirm it.

Not watched the clip but my impression is he has bulked up and lost his athleticism and mobility since his first spell. In terms of ability he looked like an ordinary perennial 5-10 goal a season player I thought. Certainly never worth £5m in a month of Sundays.

Talk about formations, personnel, injuries is fairly superfluous really. We'll always underperform no matter who's available or who plays where whilst this manager is in charge. Until we get a manager who is more tactically astute and/or demands more from them in terms of performance we're going nowhere. The players know that Mowbray won't be that upset if they don't perform that well hence there is no desire, killer instinct, urgency, or will to win. The only imperative is that is if it looks like we're going to drop into trouble at the wrong end of the table they have to pull their finger out for a couple of weeks or so until we're back in the comfort zone.

I'm pretty certain he was on 15k p.w. last season from what I've been told. I doubt there's any way whatsoever he's only on £5k p.w this season, that's just a pure guesstimate Phil has plucked out of thin air. Didn't think he was very good when he came on yesterday, merely contributed to us being slow, ponderous and predictable with our passing. But what's another 500k or so a year when it's not your own money you're wasting and the owners are multi billionaires? (supposedly)

Why on earth would he sign a new one? Frequently left out for Bennett and JRC in the past (neither of whom are fit to lace his boots) and sacrificed for Buckley of all people today.

Looks like they already have. If we hadn't nicked the fortuitous victory midweek this would be a quite horrific run.

I'd prefer Bilic's brother.

Well, did everything except get a shot on target!

Got the subs spot on for once imo. We'll see what happens. Not like we were winning with the starting line up on the pitch.

Think he's done all right when he's played and it allows Johnson back into midfield.

Not enough! Sideways back, sideways back.......

Would be far better recalling Magloire than playing Johnson there.

Can't see why anyone is raving about Trybull, he's absolutely useless, it's like playing a man short. With Gallagher it's like playing with 9. It's no good Armstrong peeling out to the wing in the role of provider, when the ball comes in Gallagher isn't capable of doing anything with it. Need Dolan on ASAP - so Gallagher will no doubt last 85 mins. Yet again Elliott and Nyambe the stand out performers.

What a shame the proposed £1m move (to Swansea was it) for Williams never materialised in the summer.

Been going since the end of 1970 and have seen many of our managers do way better than Mowbray on far less resources. You?

That's the only justification you need to make the change isn't it? At least under ambitious owners. We'll certainly start to move backwards in summer when we limp in midtable again under Mowbray then his failure to keep the squad size under control and FFP begin to bite, Nyambe walks on a free and we are forced to sell a couple of Armstrong Travis or Dack.

To shift Mowbray upstairs would be the worst possible idea, almost on a par with appointing Coyle as manager. "I've got this brilliant idea! Tony hasn't cut the mustard as manager (at least not at Championship level) so let's shunt him upstairs so he can impose his ideas and philosophies which haven't worked on the new man!"

Great argument. Bilic has taken West Ham to 7th and 11 th in the Premier League and West Brom up from the Championship automatically in recent seasons. Mowbray can't even get us anywhere near the top 6. But of course you're right. You've won me over with your powerful line of reasoning.

He's completely wasted Nyambe's talents and he'll probably walk for nothing on a free. Similarly it's nonsense imo to suggest that the likes of Travis and Nyambe wouldn't have become good players under a different manager. However, even if the players you list are as good as you seem to be insinuating they are, then surely you see a massive contradiction there, even with what you regard as a good squad we're still permanently mired in no man's land because no matter what the personnel Mowbray can't get any sort of consistent tune out of them whereas a decent manager might.

If we get a decent manager in pronto before we lose all our better players - maybe.