RevidgeBlue

Exactly right, it's the tone and attitude (not the lack of a refund per se) that is most offensive. Incredibly shortsighted too. Numbers actually wanting a refund would probably be relatively small, but it's unlikely anyone wanting a refund who got a response like that will be back. So for every £60 - £90 saved on a refund you're risking losing £350 p.a. indefinitely.

You're obviously an intelligent chap so I'm guessing you know very well that the clause you refer to (drafted before anyone ever heard of Covid) means that any ST holder who is ill, wakes up with a hang over, or has to go to work, or go to their daughter's birthday party or simply can't be arsed going etc quite rightly can't go running off to Rovers for a refund for that game. Any attempt to twist the clause round and interpret it in a way that it meant rhe Club didn't have to provide refunds if a match didnt take place would be laughed out of Court. As for "Force Majeure" it releases Rovers from the need to perform obligations under the contract if the event in question has made those obligations impossible to fulfill but it doesn't mean they can simply keep the money for those unfulfilled obligations if they've been paid for them in advance does it?

You must have difficulty understanding plain English or something. That refund clause relates to Rovers understandably not having to provide refunds if the customer cannot attend an individual game through some fault or reason of their own. The other clauses relating to possibly having to change customers' seats in the event ofextreme weather or excluding liability for personal injury are irrelevant to this discussion.

Story goes they couldn't or wouldn't meet his demands any longer which you'd think would make any suggestion he'd come here extremely far fetched.

Good lad Chaddy! You're reaching so far there you must be nearly toppling over but I love your doggedness and indefatigability! I wish you were in charge of getting our transfer deals over the line. You'd lock the buggers in the room without food and water until they sign on the dotted line! ??

They really won't!

We'll see. In our case it's probably a question of whether we sign the two quality defenders we need to go straight into the starting eleven as opposed to "will we sign anyone at all" as I expect we'll see a couple of peripheral signings to pad out the squad that aren't particularly needed.

Absolute nonsense. Waggott probably would be stupid enough to spend thousands of pounds of legal costs defending a £90(?) claim in the small claims Court but it wouldn't get him very far. Secondly, the situation between last season and this season is completely different. The Club contracted to provide 23 games in the flesh at Ewood Park last season. If we'd put season tickets on sale this season it would have been on the strict understanding that there would be no refunds in the event of Covid enforced non attendance. Completely different. I don't understand why anyone can't see that.

Disgraceful indeed. Not a hint of contrition or an apology. The Club use emotional blackmail initially saying we "hope" fans won't pursue refunds and insinuating that you're not a proper fan if you do request one, but nevertheless inferring they will actually be available to anyone who really needs one or wants one badly enough. However when push comes to shove the attitude changes to "you can like it or lump it". Absolutely appalling. I've never known anything like it. If you genuinely can't afford to give refunds, first and foremost, apologise but at least be up hront and honest about it as well.

And......I think everyone would cut the Club a bit of slack if it was just this window but with us it's every window since we were promoted. Mowbray made a comment in the LT at one point to the effect that it was one thing getting players out of Gillingham (Dack) and another thing entirely signing Championship players. Our recruitment team seem way out of our depth at this level.

The difference though is: Warnock acknowledges the need for reinforcements. Mowbray seemingly doesn't see the urgency. Edit: "Warlock" Lol. Bloody predictive text. Maybe that's how he gets them in.

He's an exceptionally brave man if the family had agreed on another move within this Country then he unilaterally scrapped that in favour of a previously undiscussed move out to Saudi he hadn't run by "she who must be obeyed" first!

Correct. I haven't adjusted properly to the fact the season didn't start with the opening League game.

I know if he isn't a Rovers fan but if I was previously happy with the overall package of moving to Blackburn Rovers it would have to be a very lucrative counter offer indeed that blew my existing offer completely out of the water to make me change my mind at that late stage. We ihave no idea f that's actually the case or not It's not like he's got a late offer from The Premier League or La Liga or anything so like I say it doesn't exactly scream commitment on his part. I still can't see it happening. If I was the Club and we were contemplating off ering a player that age a deal which stretched or possibly broke our wage structure I'd now be looking at it with a degree of caution as well if he came back to us simply because his other deal had broken down. You never know but I can't see it happening.

? Over to you caddy......... ?

He can't have been very interested in coming in the first place then. Will still be very surprised indeed if that one happens.

Can't see much for us here. They'll be on a high after tonking West Ham and we'll probably be starting the season off with 2 straight defeats. I'd go: Kaminski Nyambe Wharton Lenihan Bell Travis Davenport or Buckley Holtby Dolan Brereton Chapman

Ooooo............ Suppose it'd be too much to hope it's a Mike Newell/ Don Mackay/Kenny Dalglish type scenario.

He ain't going to come to us having already snubbed us once though, surely.

We commented on this whilst we were watching the match. Mowbray can do no wrong in my mate's son's eyes, but his Dad joked that maybe TM has to sit down at his age. I said he was sat there twiddling his thumbs looking like he was wondering what to have for tea. When their third went in, his expression never changed, there was no flicker of emotion and he barely budged an inch, let alone get up out of his seat. "Ah yes, I think l'll have pork chops!" Now if we were winning games and were top of the League I don't suppose anyone would care if he was sitting with his back to the pitch or doing cartwheels down the line. If however results aren't going too well I think it is a criticism that will legitimately be levelled at him. Other managers don't sit there for 90 mins with their hands in their pockets looking like they wish they could be anywhere else and the least you can expect is for him to look enthusiastic and be up there offering advice encouragement or a bit of a gee up at various points. We're only one game in so spirits should be baturally high. Long term though what must it be like for morale if things aren't going that well and the players glance over to the touchline for a bit of encouragement or guidance and see him slumped in his chair like that?

Difficult to know whether to draw anything either positive or negative out of today's game, decent performance overall but you aren't going to come away with even a point very often if you concede three. Their first goal was due to the fact we didn't close the ball down on the edge of our own area which is something we've been guilty of for years. Their second I thought was down to Johnson making a really poor attempt at a challenge and I thought the third was one of those things a bit of excellent play from their player you can't do a lot about. It would be ludicrous to suggest Dolan was at fault for losing the ball in the attacking third imo. Individually I thought the two subs Dolan and Rothwell transformed us when they came on at a time when it looked like the game was slipping away. Dolan in particular looks a cut above the rest of the players for me. I would actually have hooked Armstrong rather than Brereton, other than subsequentlyrics score I thought Armstrong was terrible and he doesn't look himself at all for some reason. I don't get the Johnson love in, I'm not having him at all and thought he was culpable for the second. And I must be the only person who can't see anything at all in JRC. So on we go not much wiser after today. The only thing we do know is that if we concede three every week we'll be in big trouble. I'm going to upset everyone now. Wycombe at home next week is a "must win"!

He's bloody talking about bringing "one or two to help the group" again though I.e. squadfillers as opposed to a couple of stand out performers in the defence. He'll never change. Either no-one will come in or a couple of peripheral signings will come in who aren't what we need.

He isn't. I still don't think Bell is quite as bad as people make out but he wasn't particularly good today. I think it's a common theme though that you can look at the defence after the game and individually no-one has had a stinker, (except when Bennett is back there) yet we've conceded 2, 3 or more goals. We just don't defend well as a defensive unit or when the ball breaks free on the edge of our box.

Brooks not starting for them is a surprise, I think he's a great player. The team is pretty much what we expected I suppose, no surprise to see the likes of Wharton, Dolan and Buckley not starting despite impressing.

? Good to hear from you, hope all is well.