RevidgeBlue

Forshaw, Tavares in/ Travis, Tronstad out?

Well I'm going to be negative, people are obviously free to disagree and argue the other side of the coin. The penny really dropped for me today with the Forshaw signing as to just how screwed we really are. Despite all the valiant attempts in certain quarters to depict this as the sensible addition of a bit of experience to the squad, in reality all we're probably seeing is the well worn scenario for us of having drawn a blank with our A, B, and C lists and ending up with something approaching the Z list. We didn't even want him a few weeks back, if we'd wanted him that badly we could have secured his services then. Then when the young Belgian lad with a sketchy record in a poor League was signed, it was justified on the basis he had plenty of pace and this supposedly suited the blueprint that VI allegedly wants to follow of high pressing, high intensity football. Next one through the door .....Adam Forshaw. You'd laugh if you didn't want to cry. The only common denominator these two have apart from probably not being good enough for the Championship is that they're also probably extremely cheap in the general scheme of things. At this point I'm sure there'll be the usual chorus of "Let's see who we've signed by the end of the window!" but tbh I don't expect anything to improve significantly. Most Clubs tend to target their key players and get them in first and pad out their squad a bit later. We tend to get one or two squad fillers in on the general understanding that ""Don't worry, they haven't eaten up too much of the budget" and a sort of "jam tomorrow" promise that the key players in the positions we really need will arrive later in the window. Tomorrow rarely arrives and neither do the key players. Instead we usually see a bit more squad filling and window dressing round the edges bolstered by the last minute addition of Premier League loans which again tend to generally centre around who is still available at the last minute rather than whether they can adequately fill the positions where we are in the most need. I've expected the worst the last two or three seasons and imo we've only been kept afloat by happening on 2 exceptionally talented young Head Coaches who we've then managed to drive away. I've also repeatedly said that imo we're only one bad manager away from oblivion. Has to happen at some point without a complete change of approach.

Strikes me as either a smokescreen to dissipate some of the anger over the Forshaw signing or if there is anything in it, a possible Travis replacement.

We do if the recruitment team are signing a load of shite. Especially shite we know to be shite beecause we've already seen them at first hand and as a result have previously (correctly) said we didn't want them only a few weeks back.

Fair comment, not saying Rovers effed up on that, the point is the squad player could do with being more of the quality of Baker than Forshaw.

Well......it was a far better squad when we had Baker before he arrived!

Different type of argument altogether. I don't think even proponents of Forshaw's limited abilities would be advocating he start. For me, if he isn't starting he is just blocking the pathway of a younger player coming through. The experience should come from the starting x1 not the fringe players. So either it's a sign he's likely to be replacing Travis or Tronstad directly or he's going to be filling out the squad in which case it's a completely pointless and ultimately counterproductive signing.

Wow......well, that's one way of spinning it. Chaddy would be proud of you for that one. Simon Garner had better fetch his boots down out of the attic. VI might fancy sprucing up the attack as well.

Chaddy must be locked in his war bunker discussing furiously with his Press Secretary how to spin this signing. I'm Predicting: "Pleased with this signing. A good dollop of experience to help the younger players". 🙂

Exactly.

People used to accuse Eustace of this and I felt that if he had specifically been told "We know what happened with JDT but don't worry it won't happen again" then he was entitled to take that at face value until proven otherwise. However, now that it's happened TWICE I have a very hard time believing that VI could be naive to all this or that he isn't fully complicit and agreeable to anything that happens as long as he draws his salary.

100 % agreed. Money is tight and we're spaffing it away on Forshaw. Surely the money could be far better spent. What next? Cauley Woodrow?

I mean I've always thought that in the past but it's been so blatant for quite a while now it's coming over as malicious.

Yup.

Wouldn't be surprised. This has to be a(nother) line in the sand moment surely. Enough is enough.

We didn't want him originally, what's changed?

Forshaw. What a fucking joke. Chaddy?

I don't particularly rate him, everyone else seems to. That's cool. A lot of people didn't even rate Raya. Our former manager included.

Travis, Beck was top class, Brittain was very good last year, Dolan's decent at this level, Ohashi and Gueye are good value considering what we paid for them. Carter still has potential and I rate Scott Wharton subject to fitness. That do you? Edit: And Batth

Someone at the Club or connected with the Club is doing a cracking job of linking us to players we've no intention whatsoever of signing. Makes us look like we're doing something I suppose. Edit: Whoops Mark beat me to it.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gareth-southgate-england-next-manager-35405149 According to the Mirror Southgate has offered his services to Poland. He might do well with a Country which has no real expectation of success.

You're entitled to that point of view, we'll see who's right this season. We don't exactly appear to be beating the suitors for Tronstad off with a stick this summer though do we? What is it they're not seeing either?

At this stage, no idea what you're on about, you're not even talking about the same thing that everyone else is on the thread.

Don't understand the obsession with shipping Pears out. Pears and Toth are both fairly crap but Toth is clearly the worse of the two imo. Neither are the answer. Have there been any concrete links to Pears leaving or are people simply speculating? Apologies if there have been said links and I've missed them.

Hee Hee Chaplin's inside the Oak Tree which is now a Tesco Express. There's a blast from the past. Not all things change for the better sadly.