Slow, predictable, pointless, constant , sideways passing, dull, dulll, dull. Southgate on steroids. No sign of new thinking or direction. And vulnerable at the back too. Individually Rashford was awful, Foden out of place on the right wing, and Walker is way past his best. Meanwhile, Dan Burn. Really?

The financial services industry’s definition of a “long term” investment: a short term one that’s gone wrong. Same with Ismael: he hoped we’d reach the playoffs; now that’s gone he’s playing the long game. Perhaps that’s why they handed him a 3- year contract: they suspected he was a deadbeat but gave him plenty of time to prove it

They're visible, enthusiastic and engaged with the fans. That's a proper owner. Since we were relegated from the Prem Burnley have had 3 promotions and could be heading for a fourth - something we can only dream about The reality is compared to us they're a better run club, with better owners, better players and a better manager.

Burnley's US connection https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cdjym33j4mdo

Tickets for Anfield proved impossible to obtain despite my best efforts so decided to play cricket on the day of the game to try to take my mind off events Impossible. Team-mates kept sending out false, winding-up messages from the boundary while I was batting as to the scores at Anfield and Upton Park, increasing my anxiety and contributing to my low score. Celebrations all round at the end of the game though. Many (cricket) "jugs" consumed that evening

Looking back, Tomasson was a huge loss. Results and performances were mixed at times with but he was an intelligent, thoughtful, progressive coach who at its best had Rovers playing a modern brand of football that was the equal of the top PL clubs. Players such as JRC thrived under him. The addition of just one player - an experienced, effective striker - in that January would have got us into the playoffs at least that season. Losing out on goal difference was heartbreaking and, with the excellent cup run, showed the difference he made Ismael seems to combine the worst of Eustace and Mowbray - an inability to get the team to score goals, defensive frailty and a total absence of inspiration from the touchline.

This is what proper "owners" look like https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cdjym33j4mdo Burnley leaving us behind in so many ways

I do. He's useless

Heading for 1 point out of 12 is our new manager Now that takes a special talent to do that.

Laughable 2-1 Cardiff Well played Ismael - what a difference you have made Now allez off

Derby and Cov both 2-0 up

Is Brittain injured? That's another off the wall line-up, probably as bizarre as the Stoke match Stoke lost earlier BTW. They've won one in 6 - against Rovers of course!

Bristol City 1-0. Now in playoff places

Players down tools at all levels at the game when things aren't right on and off the field. I was involved in it as a player Buy yes agree, some of the players plainly aren't up to it. Fitness is another possibility.

I was unlucky enough to see 3 of those and although we were poor we weren't disorganised and all over the place. Eustace had his faults but Ismael appears to be hopeless and, worse, the players clearly don't believe in him Some will disagree but I think the players aren't playing for him - how were they supposed to make sense of that starting line-up last night?