A website that just gives players random values?

Valued by who?

I dont get how it has dropped considering he has played loads of games and done well at Championship level.

Im not sure many if any Championship clubs would give a wide man who has scored one solitary goal and set up only 2 having played the majority of games in a season a new deal. Shows our lack of ambition. "Not that type of player" though apparently.

The 5 loans. Beck, ACD, Dennis, Woodrow and Sanderson.

He wasnt playing under JDT with Carter, Hyam and Wharton all ahead of him. Im not sure why that would have suddenly changed. He has played loads at Championship level, an amount to which theres nothing to suggest he would have matched here. And on lots more money.

It was an absolutely ludicrous decision but he changed it at half time and we actually won that game. He doesnt warrant a particularly strong opinion either way fron what I can see, 3 years on. Did a lot of good things including some very shrewd signings but also some peculiar things and it all middled out to a good job done overall, but not remarkable by any means. If you are looking for people to direct anger and hate at, Venkys are the people but even beyond that, there are a lot of people ahead of Mowbray in that particular queue.

It definitely shouldnt have been an "easy" road to the top 6. The side we came up with was far too good for league 1 but was aging and had only just over a million spent on it in League 1 since going down. Yes we spent £10m that summer and £5 the summer on 3 players after but that wasnt enough to turn the core of what was nowhere near a top 5 challenging squad into one where getting there should have been easy. No doubting though that he made mistakes along the way, and strangely it was the season in which the owners went full on Venkys (sell our best player, reinvest nothing, refuse to spend in Jan, refuse to even allow autocracy to sell and reinvest) that we came closest. He was a solid manager but not one capable like say a Bielsa of getting a team well beyond the sum of its parts. To not be willing to "forgive" him even if you felt he grossly underachieved from a footballing perspective again seems a bit strong and personal.

I dont know why you keep suggesting that they were prepared to hand over funds previously but arent now. The court case might have intensified their desperation to cut costs, but they havent willingly put forward funds for a long time. Its not the same being willing to invest as it is merely raising share capital to offset the losses, which is all theyve been doing. Which they have to do to avoid administration etc. Its just a coincedence that we happened to have one season where the Wharton sale meant that we didnt have a loss to offset. In the 2025 accounts despite the Szmodics sale there will be a loss that they will need to offset, theres no way around it. But either way, your arguments are all muddled. Mowbray was a big part of our current issues earlier. How can he be if the thing that has changed is the court case.

Before breaking down this, I still again cant get my head around why anyone would detest him 3 seasons after his departure, and would still take such great pleasure in him losing his job even now at West Brom. Its one thing thinking he did a bad job but "detest?" We finished 15th, 11th, 15th and 8th in his 4 seasons after promotion. Is that "disastrous?" I dont understand how he has in any way caused the mess we are in now. Are you blaming him for the owners having shown no interest year in year out? Are you blaming him for us still being unable to get key players to sign new deals, mainly players that have come in since he left? Is the court case down to him?

Detest. Incredible that after all of these years and especially after what has happened to him personally, youd think that hate would have subsided and would have been replaced with apathy. He did a good job, and he grew publically frustrated with their lack of investment/contract issues (common themes) towards the end. He was here too long, but he then went to Sunderland and did really well. Not worked at West Brom, always seemed strange to see him rush back so soon after recovering from serious illness. If you start implying that Mowbray was the limiting factor (or any one individual) RATHER than Venkys, then you have a warped take on things. They did put some money in, he did standard managerial spiel of lowering expectations, all managers do it, Ranieri was going on about survival three quarters in their title winning season at Leicester. Its been twisted as if they were willing to spend millions and millions extra and Mowbray wouldnt allow it. And it isnt a reason for the current day mess as even if we had, those players would no longer be here either on frees or for sales than would never be reinvested.

How do you know whose agent was at Ewood? The club clearly publicised the Hyam extension earlier and more loudly than usual off the back of the public interviews. The spin has at least worked with one.

Which podcast showed that he played whatever players he was told to?

The academy is not something that has improved under these owners and they dont deserve credit for not getting rid of it. As has been touched on, yes there will have been more graduates into the first team since Venkys took over, but that is because we dropped down a division and the standard of our team is so much lower. Players who now make the first team would have got nowhere near in the past.

We need to be ruthless, but cant because of the continued lack of investment/reinvestment. Hedges has 1 goal and 2 assists in 40 games as a player who plays in an attacking position. No matter how hard he works, he offers nothing going forward. His contract his also up. We reward underperformance here especially when it is cheaper to do so than source a decent player, but its the perfect chance to move him on. Weimann has been a good short term pick up but he had started to show signs that time was catching up on him as the season went on before suffering a serious injury at a point in his career which makes it harder to make a full recovery. With his contract up I would thank him but not offer a new one. The Gueye signing hasnt worked out. Not only do I not think he has the quality, but he is so different in terms of type of player that he requires the whole team to set up in a certain way. You cant just slot him in for Ohashi so it disrupts anything we want to try and build. In recent weeks he has also shown poor body language when he has come off the bench.