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Gudmundsson and Cork have definitely been released, Taylor and Rodriguez have been offered new deals and Brownhill has had a further year activated although maybe they will look to cash in. You look at the side who won the league comfortably last time, they still have Muric, Beyer, Benson, Zaoury, Cullen and Vitinho. Potentially add Brownhill, Rodriguez and Taylor to that, plus squad players like Roberts, Twine, Ekdal and Al-Dakhil. Theyve loads of players who have been there and done it and you can add Berge who has been promoted from that level himself and is a big and powerful player as well as O'Shea who again is big and strong and experienced in the Championship, they have players who can handle themselves. Throw in some additional signings theyve made in the last year especially in attack who should be real assets at this level. I think/hope that their biggest threat would be appointing a poor manager. Fingers crossed

You were very defensive of Lampard at his previous jobs. Im guessing you think that he would be a good appointment?

Most of their promotion squad is still there. Plus Berge and O'Shea who are added Champinship hardened players.

Either way, the owners are the ones that decide on the budget. If your scenario played out and worked then that would be good, but I doubt it.

The budget we go into the season with and whether it is sufficient in making hs competitive wont be down to Waggott. All depends on the owners.

Not have their legs broke or is that just our own players? Can understand a negative reception but equally they cant be expected to just stay loyal just as we wouldnt to players who arent up to it. Its a short career and players do whatever they think is best. Whether its the correct call is a different matter.

You cant offer someone you have released as a makeweight.

I think McFadzean was signed mainly for his experience so I dont necessarily think that having Phillips would have closed that signing off. That account is one of many that just generates random and fictional rumours at this time of year.

If we do have a sell on clause, it is only relevant to the owners as thats where the money will go. It wasnt a situation whereby the fee was impossible to turn down but it could help to benefit the club. None was reinvested.

You arent giving the money to Waggott. You are giving it to Venkys as they own us. Which is worse. I suppose the only way Waggott benefits is if it helps him hit bonuses.

The point wasnt about those players. It was about the fact that they become daily criticisms now you are happy to criticise those as they no longer work for the club. Barnsley are happy to see the back of Cole.

I know yeah, the point wasnt about Hirst himself. He was awful here and whenever I have seen him for Ipswich he has been certainly better amongst a very settled side but he still showed signs of what we saw, his goal record is nothing special and he still appears uncoordinated and clumsy.

Archie Gray and Alex Scott are both very talented players, its hard to make direct comparisons with them and Wharton assuming the sale is based purely on quality. Scott like Wharton has taken really comfortably to the Premier League but is more attacking so will find it much more difficult to make the England squad whereas Wharton plays in a position where England are weak. Gray has the advantage of also being versatile, but has been playing in a better team. But we were desperate to sell Wharton because the owners were desperate for money not to reinvest but to cover their own problems, so whilst its difficult to say x went for this amount and y went for that amount as a direct accurate comparison, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that selling out of desperation late in a window will not lend itself to getting a good deal.

Tomasson not getting a tune out of Hirst is becoming a common daily criricism just like Mowbray with Giles, criticisms started once those respective managers left the club.

You do realise that all fanbases contain a mix of regulars and those who pick and choose dependant on lots of factors including success. Still, if you want to go down the nonsensical shit fans route, each to their own.

The owners are the ones who strip the club of its assets, as much as Waggott is not fit fir purpose in any way.

This always seems to happen. We "overhaul" things on the scouting side, initially there are delays and then a reliance on old targets from the previous regime and then a couple of years in, people leave and we start from scratch.

I dont get how you have come to that conclusion from my post. I was saying that Venkys are focused only on cutting costs, in no way with any focus towards on field success which they arent arsed about.

Refusing to criticise until they leave when its fair game to repeatedly do so.

Im not convinced that barring injuries that Phillips would have been made first choice either by Tomasson or Eustace even if the more senior options had dips in form. I suppose we will never know.

Our main priority is the main priority of the people that run us. So that is solely to cut back as much as is possible with potential success merely collateral damage to them in achieving it.

There is no way that Tomasson had a far worse squad than Mowbray ever had. The squads that finished on 69 points under each were pretty similar in quality and both managers did well with equally average and thin squads. You think back to when we first came up, that squad still had players signed for a pittance in League 1 or players lingering from when we had another flurry of budget cuts in the season or two before relegation. Smallwood, Downing, Bell, Samuel, an aging Mulgrew and Conway, Bennett etc. You are correct in touching on the budgets though. Ultimately any staff at this football club find themselves pissing in the wind trying to succeed under these owners. Obviously, but when staff turnover is as high as it is here at the moment, it doesnt suggest successful recruitment and that people are happy in their roles. It seems like every couple of seasons we get a flurry of new staff, people say how we are finally getting our act together off the pitch and then we end up having to start afresh. I dont really understand what you are trying to say with the second point.

My point was more about the number of people leaving. I love how much Tomasson and now Broughton are starting to get criticised in a way you wouldnt have dreamt of when they were at the club.

I am not convinced he would have played over 18 games but I doubt there would have been much in it either way. He played 9 here in the League but was firmly behind Hyam, Carter and Wharton in the pecking order under Tomasson and Eustace doesnt seem as keen to use younger players so his chances may have reduced further, only playing when 2 of the 3 mentioned were out at the same time. It makes it feel more like wasted time because the appearances are all in one half of a season but had he played 18 more staggered across the season here, it wouldnt have been seen as a waste. But training with and being coached by a much higher standard of players and staff would surely be of benefit even when not playing considering he didnt get a sniff here for prolonged periods when others were fit. Im not sure long term it will be the best move but I dont think its as straightforward as with Wharton whereby he was that good (and a bit older) where he was guaranteed first team football here.

More staff leaving and more staff that needs replacing not too long after joining.