It was specifically said that Venkys having initially promised to redo the pitch changed their mind for financial reasons. Simple as that. He certainly wont be let go by the owners as they dont show enough of an interest in the club to sack underperformers.

Totally agree, if he comes in, no way he stays. My worry is how much sentimentality there is in football. What is Dutch for "he knows the club?"

Very left field. Rumoured to be about to join Brighton.

No way will he turn down the champions of Holland who will be in the Champions League, he is a legend there, big pay rise no doubt, more money to spend, family ties, for any challenge here. If they come for him he is gone.

The second paragraph assumptions implies that Venkys are logical people. We are clearly planning on making sales to generate funds, Broughton said as much. And I dont personally really see anyone else in the squad likely to generate much of a fee.

I've no idea, I think it is very difficult to figure out how much he is worth/other teams will pay. I certainly don't think anyone will bid anything like the £20m banded around. My worry is that we are clearly anticipating sales, Broughton made that clear. People talk about selling Gallagher, Travis, Dolan, Edun etc, but they IMO would all fail to attract either interest or certainly a significant fee. The most likely sales are the ones other teams will actually want, Kaminski will be off but even he probably wont generate a big fee. If the only sale that would generate enough to give us a decent sum in the market, I would still decline as he is so important to us and his value will only go up. I really hope he stays.

Plus England Under 21 call ups will likely diminish further the small chance of us keeping him this summer. And yeah, he isnt better than Jones or Ramsey.

Surprising one. Definitely better than Bowyer though.

Can see arguments both to have him sitting where he is brilliant at calmly taking the ball and looking after it (Buckley for example struggles with this in holding midfield) but freeing him up could allow him more freedom, he played behind 2 strikers (with a back 3) against Boro and Birmingham earlier this season and was very good. Ideally we can clone him before pre season and have 3 of him. Will be horrible if we do sell him this summer.

How strange, seems you are right. Sky sports app seems to have shaved the 4 off the -24!

Wouldnt it require a 16/17 goal swing?

Cant see many "twists and turns" on the final day, Everton wont lose at home to Bournemouth. That Mina equaliser was crucial.

Considering we had the former Wales Head of FA at the time, surely we could have known about him as a person?

All for free unless he sells key players elsewhere and weakens other areas to do so.

The cupboard isnt bare, we can sign players for free. Right... The thing is though, sentimentality is rife in football. "Knows the club" and all that, so there is always a chance that even though managers who did better or similar in the second tier this season (Edwards, Robins, Rowett, Mowbray, Carrick) would be laughable to them, Tomasson could well come into the reckoning.

They cant blame covid. They had bids for both Brereton and Rothwell and turned them both down. Well into 8 figures turned away and that will now really impact us. No excuse. And as mentioned, youve just ignored the ground and pitch cut backs that dont even touch FFP.

I asked why he wouldn't have Jones here, for footballing or personal reasons? He suggested both, justifying it by saying that he would want someone to continue with the same style as JDT to build on his work, which I appreciate even if I don't necessarily agree, but I didn't get why the personal stuff makes a difference if that is the reasoning.

Really? So why are him as a person and his "antics" relevant?

Yep, if Feyenoord come in for him, nothing anything can do, he will understandably go. Questions are whether Feyenoord will have a vacancy and then whether they would go for Tomasson.

Seems a bit of a petty reason to dismiss someone, as much as I dislike him as a person myself, I wouldn't say no if he was the best man for the job, but each to their own.

Out of interest, why are you so against Jones? Don't like him as a person or don't rate him despite the job he did at Luton?

I think with Stoke, it was a managerial graveyard at the time, Gary Rowett also failed. The squad there at the time included Jack Butland, Peter Etebo, Tom Ince, Ashley Williams, Joe Allen, Benik Afobe, James McLean, Sam Vokes, Ryan Shawcross, Bruno Martins Indi and Saido Berahino, lots of unshiftable big earners who had come down from the Prem. Our squad is full of low earning, younger players so I don't think those same type of players are here. That being said, I do hope it doesn't come to a managerial change and if it does, I would ideally like a better and less deplorable option than him! Hard to disagree with the last 2 sentences.

As long as that manager isn't expected to play passing football. If he is the best candidate, then he would surely then pick the tactic he feels suits the squad we have plus a few additions. If he didn't think that was possession focused, for example if he thought that the current defenders aren't good enough on the ball to do that, then fine, that's the managers prerogative. Long way away as we don't know if Feyenoord will go for Tomasson or even if their manager will be poached, but if so, just go for the best choice and let him decide. A new manager may think we are better suited playing counter attacking football for example, whatever gets us the most points will do me. Nathan Jones is an interesting name, possibly as good as we would likely be able to get, even if I hate him as a person, I would stomach it if he did well.

Wonder if they will give Nuno Gomes a call if the next potential manager is Spanish.

That may be true to be fair. Although I guess any worries about a replacement for Tomasson whenever he moves on comes more from Venkys history rather than a conversation with a former player.