roversfan99

You can choose to do a thorough post mortem over years worth of tactics, ultimately I am not really interested. But either way, I wanted Mowbray out too, for longer than you. My points were more about the crazy reactions any time he speaks, but mainly as to Venkys who sadly remain. He never said that he had money to spend in January. He did say that he could sign a striker in January and didn't, but he specifically said a young striker on loan from the Premier League. There hasn't been backing in every window either, that is bullshit and has nothing to do with defending Mowbray, to whom I refer you to paragraph 2. They didn't back the manager last summer, when none of the money was allowed to be reinvested. Cry foul of FFP all you like, the speculated reason for the lack of spending doesn't make it any less of a valid point even if it is true, but you can't then go on to still defend examples of turning money down for assets running their contracts down. They didn't back the manager in January, when we spent £700k, I don't want you to go off on a tangent about how a loanee was wasted, I know, I agree, but again I am separating this from Mowbray. The season before, we didn't spend anything really, and the season before that, we did buy Gallagher but he sacrificed Raya to fund most of that. There is a big expectation over the academy plugging gaps too. So what he said about the owners and the implications about their ambition or lack of tallies up. He made a valid point even if he is probably doing it to try and save face and it doesn't change that I am glad that he has gone.

Very much in the honeymoon period, whereby he won't even consider tangible evidence of anything but perfection within the club.

They were all reported as muscular injuries.

Like it or lump it is not a valid point, obviously neither of us can impact anything but my opinion is that allowing assets to run their contracts down and chucking £12m+ plus down the drain by overruling the manager is not an efficient way to run a football club and removes the validity of the FFP line that is constantly used. It also undermines the supposed journey idea to think so short term. You say that they didnt trust him which is a baseless theory but in such a case, anything other than sacking him once that trust is lost is typically idiotic. Until the owners stop overruling decisions then no matter how proactive the employees below are, there will be cases when players get to the final year of their deal at which point a sale has to be made. The whole point of becoming even slightly more sustainable is to buy assets, profit, pocket some, reinvest some and continue, thats how you do a "journey" and Venkys have totally failed since day 1.

The ticket prices have absolutely nothing to do with it. Our higher ticket prices dont necessarily lead to more revenue because quantity goes down as a result. My issue with Venkys has never primarily been about how much. Its about them overruling and having an all or nothing policy, hence why we will never be efficient under them. I wont swallow the FFP excuses when the owners have demonstrated more than once a lack of willingess to stick to a plan and a short term mentality.

He could have loaned one who would now be no longer at the club and I have said as much in the past. It has no relevance though to my point about moaning about FFP yet throwing so much down the drain at the same time. Nor my point about Mowbray saying anything leading to people frothing at the mouth.

I dont get this argument that people would go mad at the owners, that shouldnt affect decisions. And for one, they shouldnt overrule the manager, meaning that the owners wouldnt be judged on individual signings and sales, only if they didnt invest enough. The point was though that FFP is being used as a big limitation which in isolation it could be. But we cant use it as an excuse when we have turned away over £12m in fees in 6 months for players that are otherwise running their contracts down. On Brereton, it isnt just one of those things. The situation should not be determined by potential fan reaction, there is an investment to protect. But even then, initially a new deal should have been pushed after that decent season when he scored 7. But even factoring that in, we could have still sold this summer having made that mistake and made a profit on investment.

You are falling into the chaddy trap of withholding opinion because of what the manager said.

Rothwell. Brereton. Apparently Stoke bid for Nyambe last summer but even if that is merely a rumour, its still £13m+ down the drain. But boo hoo FFP stopping Venkys from splashing the cash.

The asterix of "within FFP rules" is somewhat diminshed as an excuse when the owners repeatedly overrule the manager and refuse to sell assets who are otherwise leaving for free.

Over a decade of negligent ownership probably outranks a strange tactical decision in a game we went on to win, to be fair.

Like any manager at any point, there is an element of saving face, a desire to defend himself and make himself look better. Not really arsed about that side of it. Point being, what he said was either true or complimentary, yet you and others allowed it to cause you to get really wound up.

You both are going off on massive tangents. My point was merely that Mowbray complimented the history of the club and the academy, and also like many of us questioned the owners with a fact about the lack of post Armstrong funding thrown in. None of that warrants the angry reaction from many on here which supports the conclusion that Mowbray could literally say anything and wind up lots of our fans now. Also, the bit in bold, it doesn't wash.

Brittain and Gallagher both got injuries in training too, as did Scott Wharton. Didn't Hedges miss the Sheff Utd game with a muscular injury done in training?

For many the red mist comes over as soon as Mowbray says a word. All he has done here is complimented the club regarding both its history and its academy and questioned Venkys on not allowing reinvestment like many of us have done. Ironically, chaddy was his biggest cheerleader up until a month or two before his departure. If you are so bored of reading about him, why do you anyway? Your first two sentences are contradictory. He is probably somewhat saving face, all managers say the same worn out phrases including Tomasson. We all wanted Mowbray out and he has gone but his quotes about what is left (ie the academy and the owners) tally with what many of us think and had it been anyone else he would have been agreed with.

Fitness permitting, Maguire is as likely as anyone to start that opening game unfortunately.

Im just saying that in general, I feel that all of his points about the club and the owners are valid. That seemingly gets twisted into a defence of him individually and potentially even a justification for a new contract. We do have shit owners yes, and thats all thats relevant to us in the here and now.

JDT "wants it that way" and is happy with it, so no questioning it please.

I suspect that his comments will again rile the majority but what he says is true. Praises our history and our academy and points out that the owners didnt reinvest any of the Armstrong money and indirectly blames them for us being where we are. Glad hes gone but what he says is on the money

Maguire, Dier and Pope? I bloody hope not.

He is a walking disaster, the first goal was not an isolated example of his clumsiness, and it didnt end with his mistake for the second either. He shouldnt be in the squad which is damning in itself considering how poor our pool of centre backs are.

Surely one positive from that game is that Southgate can finally see how bad Maguire is? Who am I kidding, first name on the team sheet. Dier is a waste of time aswell.

I think that personally I have been quite underwhelmed by signs of a style of play developing under him so far, I have seen precious little that it is the case, with very few chances being created and a fragility the other way. That being said, being in 7th place with 5 wins more than merits further time. Maybe if we was sat on 4 points say, then even at this early stage you would question his future, but on 15 points, certainly not at all. (I know the question isn't aimed at me, but I would concur that writing off Tomasson at this stage is very harsh)

There is a balance between giving someone patience constructively and blindly and a manager needs to display at least strong developing signs of a plan coming together backed up by results to warrant further time. Watford have a track record of gaining success by being ruthless in changing managers and I would suggest that Bilic seemingly is a better fit to get promotion this season. Our plan will continue to be undermined as long as Venkys take key footballing decisions out of the hands of those employees, but that is beside the point regarding Watford. The idea that Norwich and Watford are beneath us shows how meaningless the phrase "sustainable PL club" is when we are so far away even from an initial promotion. If we go up regardless of when and how, the odds will be against us in initially staying there. It is easy to be drawn in by cliches and platitudes about plans, journeys and projects.

There will be loads of managers that are given time and patience that continued to under perform, there is no point comparing to individuals. In the last 9 years, Watford have not spent 2 consecutive seasons below Premier League level. They are sat not only on parachute money but have kept a number of their best players, there has to be an emphasis on promotion THIS season. Rovers are a poor example and certainly not a case of how a football club should be run. Our managers have been a mixture of brief and long lasting and we have never finished in the top 6 of the Championship since we came down a decade ago. Watford's trigger happy tactic may appear to be a symbol of not the way to run a football club, and of course like anyone they have made poor appointments, but their ruthlessness has led to far more success than we have had under our respective owners.