You also said repeatedly that Alex Neil was imminently about to be appointed. Your track record is laughable. The number of changes needed isnt comparable to Liverpool because we went into this season only able to bring in a series of loan deals despite bringing in a substantial 8 figure fee for a Mowbray signing, so there would always be 4 holes regardless of manager. You then throw in replacing Brereton which will bring in 8 figures, and the 3 out of contract players, one of whom would have generated a fee and filled 2 of those gaps in January had it not been for Venkys. Venkys will also presumably give little if any of that major sale for reinvestment. So it is unfair to put the upcoming necessary overhaul solely down to the manager.

Even if you assume that there is scope for a more suitable manager being appointed either to keep you up or at worst, getting you straight back up. If there is any truth in the reports, looking at financial risk and reward, you are paying potentially £15m to pay off Dyche plus the salary of a new manager to roll that dice. It makes no sense in any way.

I think assuming that we finish just outside the play offs (practically certain) and he leaves/is let go this summer (I am unconvinced) then I would describe his tenure as mediocrity personified. Ultimately we have never come close in any of his full seasons of significant regression or being dragged into a scrap at the bottom, that in itself puts him well ahead of a number of people he has been compared to, obviously that is not enough to warrant him keeping his job indefinitely either, merely treading water, and only this season have we come genuinely close to the top 6/in with a proper shout. I would suggest that had we accumulated points evenly across the season, this season would be seen far more favourably that it will, but that is somewhat justified because we have blown such a big chance. I don't think it is fair at all to suggest that his tactics "have always been poor" either though, as much as he is definitely prone to trying to be over-elaborate at times. When he had a transfer window he seemingly wanted us to play a certain way, and he showed a real level of pragmatism and flexibility to totally rip those ideas up so soon into our League 1 season and to play direct off Graham, and that was a big factor in our promotion. Initially when we came up he stuck with that, and then he initially made us slightly less direct in the following season to a degree of success as we finished 4 places higher. It was only when he tried to take that to an extreme that we regressed, and he then again changed his tactics totally once we lost players last summer. Even then, we was not really exceling this season until he changed until a back 3 and played Buckley as a false 9 and I think it is forgotten that those tactics initially were the catalyst to us being where we were. Injuries have played a part since but Mowbray has just been far too stubborn sticking to those tactics though since when the balance has totally gone without Brereton able to run in behind, and he has also thrown in weird additions to the tactics, notably Giles on the right. His tactics across his tenure have changed a number of times, he has 3 times changed them to success but he has also been guilty of overcomplication. A real mixed bag.

If they are communicating with random individuals with no scope for transparency, then are they communicating with the fans?

There is demand, I and others have said we would be interested on here. How much exactly I don't know, but surely such information would be easy to gather if the club had any interest. One of the major questions would be where, it would make sense to do it in one area at least at first, the question would be where. I am guessing that what with your lack of empathy, your view would be totally different should you be affected compared to your dismissive attitude when other areas of the ground were closed without supporter consultation. One thing we have been told on here is that Venkys never refuse to sign a cheque. Like with the pitch situation, would I be right in saying that any infrastructure costs such as this would not fall under the usual excuse of FFP? Alas, in fans forum minutes earlier in the season, Waggott dismissed the immediate prospect of safe standing for financial reasons so it won't be happening regardless.

Me not being excited about a summer off the back of a league collapse in which we will lose a number of first teamers on free transfers and our top goalscorer who we are heavily reliant on, in the following summer in which our owners allowed none of a major sale to be reinvested, under aforementioned owners that have done nothing to provoke positivity across their reign isn't me being a bit of a misery! Surely its logical not to be excited about that prospect. The problem is that you believe every single rumour that you read. The rumour was that Mowbray has agreed to take over at West Brom and that Venus has spoke to Lenihan, Nyambe and Rothwell lining up all three players on free transfers in the summer. Maybe all of that will happen in the summer and it will be proven right, but I have many reservations. Firstly, it would mean that Rothwell's dad is an absolute tosser, going out of his way to tell any Rovers fan who will listen on a train about all of this information. It would also mean that Steve Bruce has not sniffed any of this out based on recent interviews whereby he expects talks ahead of continuing next season which he claimed he would like to do. It would mean that Mowbray has agreed this ahead of the end of the season, at a point previously in which we had a chance of the play offs, at a club that he has previously been sacked from, which is further away from his home in Middlesbrough. It would also mean that he has allowed his assistant manager to leak this information via trying to illegally tap up our captain and also 2 other players, one of whom tried to leave (something Mowbray was not allowed to let happen) in January to go to a team on the South Coast.

Why would we create safe standing in 3 different stands, surely it would make sense to have it all together.

Why would anyone anticipate the next step under Venky's in anything other than a supposed negative light? Using words like sensible and logical under Venkys. Regarding the West Brom link, I am not taking that as gospel just like I don't take every piece of gossip as guaranteed facts. Why would Rothwell's dad know that the manager is going to West Brom, and why would he be going round telling randomers outside a stadium that it was the case? Like I said, even if he does go, the replacing of him will not be this proactive, seamless process. I certainly wouldn't view the summer as "exciting."

Brereton will go otherwise we will lose him for free. Venkys will probably not reinvest that money as they didn't last year, factor in either a new deal for Mowbray or an unnecessary delay waiting for a new manager as a best case scenario and a minimal budget, and I wouldn't expect these 8-10 players to be of any quality, if indeed we sign that many players. Dack, Markanday and Carter will probably be seen as three of those "new signings" and Gallagher as the man to score 20 goals to replace Brereton, of which there is more chance of pigs flying/Venkys attending a game this season. What should happen is Venkys should show that they honour one of their promises for once (not that I personally want them here) and attend the Bournemouth game. If we are as expected not mathematically in with a chance after that, they should sack Mowbray whilst here and strive to get a manager in as soon as possible after that, failing that, wait around for the season to finish and be proactive for once in their bloody lives.

Is interesting the right word? Mowbray will probably get a new deal, otherwise we will likely appoint someone not good enough. We will sell our top scorer and lose several starters on frees, and if last summer is anything to go by, Venkys will not give whoever the manager is any of that money to reinvest.

Edun was so stupid to get especially that second yellow card, he would probably argue that it was rustiness that saw him lose the ball initially but why youd even give the ref a decision to make is stupidity. Edun hasnt impressed me so far, he was a clear weak point at left back and has been marginally better in midfield but he really cost us yesterday. @starscascade that Wigan selection was actually a strong team, far stronger than people had predicted. Goalkeeper was the obvious costly exception, and even then, Pears had kept a few clean sheets just before.

Evidence? Or hearsay?

The alternative is to let him leave for free a year down the line. The club holds no power.

I know with the use of the nickname "Coyley" that you are on the wind-up but this is simply not true. When Coyle left, we had an aging squad with no real assets, Yes our squad will become weaker in the summer but we are not in a comparable position. Firstly, we have Brereton for whom we are likely to get an eight figure fee. Whether our negligent owners will reinvest any of that is a seperate issue as we saw last summer but that is not on the manager. Beyond that, we have Kaminski on a long term deal, we have Travis on a long term deal, we have Dack back fit, we have Wharton on a long term deal, we have players like Pickering, Markanday, Dolan, Buckley and Carter on long term deals. We also don't really have any players who a new manager (if they come in, I bet there is a strong chance of a renewal) would feel are liabilities financially.

Unsure if you went chaddy but I certainly wouldn't put yesterdays debacle down to "showing them too much respect."

I think I may refrain from getting too worked up about far-fetched rumours of our manager and assistant trying to coax our imminently out of contract players into signing with their supposed new team next season. Do you genuinely believe that Mowbray stops trying once he gets bored at Christmas?

Every footballer is a different person, they should think about what they want and what makes them happy, to many it will be a huge pay increase to set them and their family up for life. You don't have the right to say what they "should" be thinking about.

Doesn't mean that they are competent. Owen Coyle has been a football manager for nearly 20 years. I wonder if it says on Pasha's CV, worked "in the background."

What relevance does that in bold have? Make the fans happy by winning games, all this "knows the club" shite is just a cliche, it means nothing. I don't understand where the idea of Ryan Mason has come from, or why you would randomly suggest a bloke who has managed 7 senior games, it just seems random.

If he was leaving, it would make no sense to take the effort to fly all the way to India to "explain" himself. Not to Venkys, not to him, especially when he is apparently thinking towards a pre-season elsewhere. Why has nobody at all aside from yourself mentioned it anywhere though, not even that he has "something" lined up never mind specifically with West Brom? From where (not an individual, but what type of "source") is this from? Untrue. A mixed bag, certainly not "shit."

How have you possibly come to that conclusion?

Still with Lenihan, Nyambe and Rothwell all having contracts lined up to go with him?

Who are you to tell people what they should and shouldn't want? With the right move, a footballer can really improve the quality of their and their families lives forever. If I was Lenihan and my choices for example was to continue playing regular Championship football or quadruple my wages to be a squad player elsewhere, I'd likely choose the latter.

A quite baffling decision. I love it.

What on earth does "someone who knows what the club means" actually mean? Generic nonsense. For a start, Ainsworth has never worked at Rovers under Venkys so he doesn't know the club works. We should strive for someone to get the best possible results, they will soon get to "know what the club means" and like at any club, the thing that makes people happy is success. You are also throwing random names in of people that you can't possibly know what they would be like as managers or even whether they want to be managers. I can't fathom why any Rovers fan would specifically suggest Ryan Mason for example, it is such a bizarre and random shout. Brainwashing? Behave. You will get certain fans at every club who will refuse to acknowledge anything but the positives, and in extreme cases, will spout the usual spiel about supporting the lads and the usual superfan nonsense. This is not some sort of manipulative ploy by Mowbray as an individual. Thats nonsense and just takes away from genuine criticisms when you are displaying an unwillingness to praise him when he does get something right or does something well. I feel like unfortunately, somewhat understandably due to the way our season has gone and the emotion, this messageboard is full of over the top rubbish (unfavourable comparisons to genuinely awful managers, the thing with Mowbray is that he has been average, never threatening to take us close to the bottom or indeed to the top for very long) and of an unwillingness to credit him even when we win or when he gets something right, the Derby game another good example. If City win the Premier League, does Pep get no credit because he has the highest budget and thus it is expected? The current form also does not prove that it was correct to sack him x years ago either. I was really pissed off when I went to Charlton, not necessarily because of the team selection when it turned out that the absent players were injured, but I didn't like the attitude. But it would have been an irrational, emotional decision to sack him then. Has anything come from the exciting yet cryptic meetings earlier in the season regarding Venkys and their plans?