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But when Gallagher did play as a central striker he didnt score that many goals, he is not a good finisher and he does not have a goalscoring instinct. He never at any point made it impossible not to use him centrally because he didnt score enough when he did play there and in fact a number of his primary flaws become even more obvious. Even under Coyle when he played in a unsustainably attacking side with 2 wingers and 2 strikers, he was scoring 1 in 4. When I question why people seem so confident that he would score goals implying with regularity the response is usually just a repitition of that same line. His reputation as a striker improved when he didnt play there and I think its partly because it can be used as a Mowbray criticism. I didnt agree with the use of him out wide but I just dont think he is anything beyond a striker for whom double figures is not far off his ceiling at this level. Id love him to get 20 goals but I cant see it sadly.

Another sign of Venkys continuing reign of terror. 10k season tickets is seen as a decent achievement.

As I said, I dont see the evidence from his career or signs that hes a poorly utilised potential regular goalscorer. Hes not a natural goalscorer, he never has been and he hides behind the whole "Mowbray wasted him" narrative that ignores his flaws as a striker in the first place. We need a new first choice striker. If Gallagher is deemed to be that man with the main responsibility, we can forget the top 6.

I dont recall reading that but may have missed it. Where did he say it? The main disagreement was the difference in numbers that we believe we need to sign on the assumption that all of these kids are good enough now. Specific to Vale, you cant really judge against kids. He struggled earlier in the season in non league. I would personally look to loan him to League 1 or 2 and see if he can get regular goals, but either way, my point was more that if any of these kids break through, it should be seen as a bonus, not just assumed instead of signing players as the likelihood of a clutch of kids all breaking through at once with a 100% record is minimal. So if Vale is kept around, we still need an out an out striker as you say. Same with Garrett, Wharton, Phillips and Brown.

Most of the time he was injured. Suppose that doesnt fit the narrative as well. Be interesting to see where he goes next as he impressed more here when he didnt play than when he did play. When he has played up front he has not impressed. He isnt a natural goalscorer, he has a poor first touch, struggles to hold the ball up and bring others into play, he is poor in the air, he doesnt jump as well as he should for his size. Like Davenport who impressed more when he didnt play, Gallaghers reputation as a striker improved more when he didnt play up front. 17? Youve added a few on there.

Did Lenihan state that?

What are his strengths?

I genuinely have no idea why so many seem so confident that if this that and the other happen, that Gallagher can score loads and loads of goals.

Whoever it is deemed that either played/play for, I can't fathom how anyone would prefer an attacker who scores and assists only fleetingly to someone who scores consistently. We could have done with Armstrong last season during that dry patch. I know you despise Mowbray but the idea that Mowbray beat the creativity out of either of the players mentioned is nonsensical. Travis has never been a creative player, he has always been a spoiler so the idea that Mowbray has beat it out of him is inaccurate. Dolan has been pretty similar in both of his seasons, he scored 1 more league goal and 1 more cup goal last season compared to the previous one so he was slightly more effective. He has often been afforded a central role which suits his energy and pressing but IMO he doesn't offer enough of a goal threat there. Also, I don't recall how "class" he was when Armstrong was out, I always saw that as somewhat of a myth. He put in a typically energetic performance at Millwall that was impressive but ultimately he failed to score in each of the 3 games that he played before Armstrong returned and his influence massively waned v Swansea and Brentford. He is a talent but he has lots to learn to become a consistent goal threat/creative influence which he has only been in the last 2 years very fleetingly. That being said, he is very young still and seems a keen learner so lets hope that he really pushes on this season, there is plenty of raw attributes to work with.

If you have come to such a firm conclusion that Vale is "more than good enough" following about an hour of senior football spread across 3 or 4 cameos to the extent that you would assume that he is ready and sign a player less as a result then fair enough. Just respect that I wouldn't assume that yet, I am not saying that he isn't good enough but simply that we don't know either way.

100%. A key problem is that the club (as well as a number on here which exacerbates the problem) seemingly cannot fathom that supporters of any club differ wildly in their desire to attend matches and their personal circumstances. Many supporters choose to see this as an opportunity to criticise and berate other supporters, showing a lack of empathy. The club just sees this as an uncontrollable condition that they try and tackle through aggressive committment questioning campaigns.

I don't think he lost his way under Mowbray, it seems the convenient excuse to make him a scapegoat for everything. He has obviously got ability but he often allows games to pass him by from an attacking sense and you even look at some of the games when he does catch the eye, it is often through his energy and enthusiasm rather than creating or providing a goal threat, take QPR at home, he was really important in the win without ever looking like scoring or creating a goal. He is only young so as a member of the squad he offers something for sure and any fee would likely be swallowed up anyway so it is most likely in our best interests to keep him. He needs to try and warrant a regular starting place first and foremost and go from there. He does clearly have raw attributes to build on but he needs to provide more of a goal threat and create more chances which hopefully will come with time, this season our best run came with Khadra and Brereton as the attacking threats, I think Dolan missed a few games with a knock if I remember correctly.

Are there not valid reasons to "moan" or indeed constructively criticise the continuously ineffective pricing and advertising strategies, as seen by the poor sales? I would like to think that Waggott has more of an open mind in regards to the poor sales figures and indeed the criticisms from supporters but based on his actions, seemingly not.

Surely if anything it would make sense that people on here who are "decrying" the terrible sales figures haven't or can't buy one due to the very same pricing and advertising campaigns to which are rightfully being lambasted?

Did Nyambe not initially join up with Namibia before pulling out, in which case I would assume that he doesn't report back on day 1? Either way, I very much doubt that he would report until if and when he did sign a new deal and it was all finalised.

I wouldn't assume that they all would, because if any don't, we are short of players. I would loan Vale to League 1 or 2 and see if he can score regularly there off the back of a poor spell in non league. I think we could have all predicted that they wouldn't bother. Personally looking to schedule? Empty words.

@J*B said similar, there should be two considerations. Firstly, decide what types of companies we would not be willing to advertise. I personally don't why betting companies are not considered (especially if they offer more money as has been I think said by Waggott previously) yet vaping companies are, but it is a conundrum either way. Then pick the best financial deal ignoring any that are not seen as ethically acceptable. I am similar to you in that I don't have any issue personally with vaping companies or indeed betting companies, I don't buy a shirt regardless of sponsor, you seemingly do either way. But many do so the club must consider potential reaction not only because it cannot afford to upset any fans but also because any increased income from advertising deals may be offset by less people willing Whether any sponsor is from down the road or indeed from Timbuktu is totally irrelevant, everything should revert back to generating the most possible money within the moral framework to which we have deemed acceptable.

Who they support is ultimately irrelevant as far as I concerned. But the envelope works is not a valid comparison as there is no moral question there.

I think Dolan is over rated somewhat, he is full of energy but not lightning fast, he is incredibly inconsistent, he is repeatedly over elaborate and his end product is more often than not lacking. That being said, our squad is already very small and Dolan is young and does certainly have talent. I dont think a team would pay more than 2 or 3 million for him and I would be very reluctant to sell as a result, even though I would like a more productive wide men for that left side with Dolan again competing for a place rather than being one of the first names on the team sheet. He certainly isnt Premier League quality.

You already know, I think between 8 and 10 I would say. Weve had this discussion a million times, the difference is because I dont think we can assume that all of the players that you suggested can be assumed to be of sufficient quality because we are short if any arent. We know this difference in opinion and dont need to again have the same debate so you dont need to respond by saying which players youd promote. The quote was: "We know you are keen to know when we will return to Ewood Park and it's something I am personally looking to plan into my schedule this coming season." Doesn't say try but either way, I am not surprised that they couldnt be arsed and didnt bother.

@1864roverite in regards to your long post. Firstly some of the Waggott jokes are exactly that. That being said, I do think that to an extent that Waggott has pulled the wool over your eyes in that youve started to judge based on what youve heard rather than what has actually been done. No one would ever say that this is the case as youd never know. He seems like someone who has given his time and made a real effort so I can understand why it has happened. It also is likely incompetence rather than anything more sinister that has overseen many of his mistakes. Youve listed the history of Venkys yet seem to be questioning the support of people for being critical of them which I think is totally unfair. You also clearly share low expectations if merely paying the bills/not becoming Derby/Bury (which were totally different situations) is something that warrants appreciation. You seem to be assured based on what he told you that he does understand the ticketing situation and seem confident that he can improve it. Such low attendances, prices towards the top of the Championship in a somewhat deprived area and repeatedly using advertising campaigns that antagonise as well as repeatedly (as seen this week) having to go back on themselves following poor uptake do not show that sense of learning from mistakes. There is a sliding scale between low prices to increase quanitity and higher prices and a sweet spot in between. Waggott repeatedly goes too far towards the latter and has obliterated the season ticket base. You shouldnt need to make an appointment to make a judgement. What has actually happened is what should be judged, not what is said in meetings with fans in which Waggott has pre prepared for and is naturally going to paint things in a positive and ultimately biased light. Plans are necessary but equally worthless until carried out successfully. Repeatedly failing to be specific on the details of why you are so confident coupled with provocative counter arguments essentially asking people to meet Waggott rather than judging on what has actually happened only further aggravate people IMO. You also repeatedly dismiss the value of peoples opinions on here as if we are all claiming to be experts to pass comment on a messageboard yet you still choose to read them anyway.

We cant just assume that all or indeed a majority of that youth will all successfully progress to being Championship standard though, history tells us that. We need a lot more than 3 or 4 signings.

I would be pleasantly surprised if we spent 3m on a player this summer. Twine seems a real talent although it wouldnt make sense to spend so much on someone who operates in a similar role to Dack. Cantwell likes to play from the left so would potentially fit in although as previously stated I dont see that one happening either.

Why does the fact that its a local business with local people (sounds very League of Gentlemen) seemingly in your head outrank and dismiss questions people have about the morals of advertising what Totally Wicked sell?