roversfan99

Did you not say that you once met him or indeed know him in general, and if so, could that positive impression not be clouding your view on him? He has done a good job at Wycombe, something that I have not doubted. I just don't see how him and Warne can incite such different reactions, putting aside where Ainsworth is from. You call him a winner but isn't he fairly comparable to Warne to an extent? You mention the Derby sob story but Wycombe were also very lucky that the play offs the season before were decided on points per game when they were 8th, even so, they got promoted through the play offs which is all that matters. Warne has managed to get promoted 3 times, again with not the biggest budget, neither Warne nor Ainsworth could keep them up. Style of football isn't a primary consideration to me, obviously the main question would be whether he (or indeed anyone) has the flexibility to adjust tactics to suit the players we have here. But it is all about results and from where I see it, neither is notably superior to the other. The issue is that you seem to be looking down on those who are holding off. I have already renewed to reiterate my position so this isn't a personal defence. But you are speaking as if people are threatening to support another team should they be underwhelmed by the managerial appointment, not merely that people would be unwilling to definitely spend such a large sum and give up such a large proportion of their free time when they feel like they are having the piss taken out of them. You say that you don't like the superfan narrative but go on to imply that you and Birdy are superior because you go regardless. Many people don't seem to fathom that not every single person has the same desire to go and watch every game, some insist on being there and somewhat plan around it, others might go if circumstances suit, if they have nothing else on, if the prices are low, if we are doing well, whatever it is. You and I might consider it "in the blood" but it isn't to the same degree for everyone. Ainsworth wouldn't do it for free.

Over a friendly perhaps but surely common sense could come into play and only the play offs could have been played now and most teams could have been sent on holiday. The players dont seem arsed about it after a long, hard season and they aren't robots and do need to rest.

Hard to be overly optimistic at this stage with the managerial search dragging on, and the better names going elsewhere. I would agree that Brereton will go and we will see next to nothing reinvested again, so will be reliant on loans and frees. Nyambe and Lenihan I can see being fixed up elsewhere by the time a manager is finally appointed. There is a lot of shit in this league, notably Reading who have seen many key players leave and face a season of Paul Ince, and Birmingham who are in crisis. I can see us avoiding a true dogfight.

There seems to be a disparity between the reaction towards Warne and Ainsworth, both seem somewhat justifiably highly rated, neither would really excite me at all but I do wonder if the latter gets comparatively superior reactions simply because of this whole Rovers fan narrative? Neither have done jobs that are easily comparable to what their job would be here. Warne has had Rotherham continuously bouncing between League 1 and the Championship religiously. Both him and Ainsworth have fought against clubs with bigger budgets and have found the Championship a step too far with those small budgets, but both thrive in League 1, Warne more so. Of course not, ultimately Mowbray was a run of the mill manager and we were middle of the road under him, his time had come to a natural end. Waggott I have been very critical of regarding his illogical ticket pricing structures etc, I would be happy to see him replaced 100%. But my point was that merely replacing Waggott wouldn't solve the problem alone, the common denominator across the last 12 years has been in India. Inconsistent budgets without an overall plan, big delays, third party involvement, a lack of delegation, poor communication seemingly within the club. (the whole wait until the summer and come to India charade, Mowbray being totally in the dark about his future) Anyone who applies (was it 60 reported applicants) wants the job surely.

Waggott is not what is wrong with the club or the reason that it is so haphazard. Hes just an incompetent employee, surely any bad feeling should be directed towards Pune.

Literally as in it was alledged because people had become understandably fed up after our bad run and couldnt even credit him for changes made to win. You have said "this week" for about 3 weeks running so lets hope you are right this time. It really isnt. Mowbray is middle of the road, can do better but not based on a "anything but Mowbray" mentality.

I never ever got the impression from under Mowbray that the players did anything but try their best and give their all for him. He regularly did also talk up the history of the club.

There is a difference between merely having Championship experience and having done good jobs or having a good record at that level. The focus of the new manager should be purely to win football matches.

That would change when he or indeed any manager was interviewed following a loss, whoever the manager is it would start to grate. I dont get the fixation. You couldnt enjoy watching Rovers specifically because of post match soundbites you have read having seeked them out, rather than the defeat itself? Its an unnecessary limitation especially when many named have had bad experiences. It also assumes that Championship is special and different. Take Cocu, only one poor spell at Derby in the Championship, surely him having that spell on his CV is a bad thing, not good because its "Championship experience."

Listening to? I dont get this fascination with what a manager says, usually at points of high emotion.

Not sure, Dyche would be ideal but under Venkys is obviously unrealistic as it seemed unfortunately that Wagner and Carvalhal were. Failing that, I would take Wagner, Jokanovic, Bilic but ultimately I dont have the knowledge of other leagues especially abroad but it might take a bit of creativity. Some of the names you mentioned are appalling, much worse than Mowbray. We shouldnt be only considering out of contract managers and Championship experience is meaningless, Coyle has loads more than Pep, only matters if it leads to success and in your list it hasnt. You didnt say if you would take any/all of them, you are speaking in riddles again and avoiding questions but I presume you think that all would be upgrades.

I certainly was not suggesting that we keep Mowbray. That list was full of no marks though so I was just pointing out that not everyone is a natural upgrade on him. I dont know if we do want an out of work head coach with Championship experience, we can regurgitate gossip but one thing that we have all learnt is that no one knows what they are talking about regarding our search. I wouldnt limit ourselves to such strict parameters. From your list, Jokanovic would be one id have despite his poor spell at Sheff Utd. Warburton is about on par, the others are shocking suggestions. Wasnt Christansen crap at Leeds? Conversely, how many of them would you consider to be upgrades on Mowbray? (I know he needed to go so theres no point trotting that line up, im aware and agree) Who would you want from that list?

What a depressing list of no marks. Would genuinely prefer Mowbray over most.

Get rid of Ayala? Who is taking him?

Every manager has managed us for financial reasons. Even Ainsworth would be.

Moaning on here doesnt equate to a lack of backing at Ewood, but surely this is hypocritical considering your posts about Mowbray?

Random guess. But out of interest, how would feel if thay happened? Pissed off/angry? And one word answer, Woodgate or Mowbray?

Personally win lose or draw, the behaviour of the manager meaningless to me. A loss but thd manager waving his arms around is no consolation. I cant see Ainsworth either, I dont think wed pay compensation.

Both will leave big holes but id much prefer Lenihan to stay out of the 2.

Also, what Woodgate inherited at Boro is much more similar than Bournemouth. He will be coming here with our top scorer set to leave, a key midfielder having already left, a key loan centre back having gone back and our captain set to go.

Alan Myers isnt a good source, he said Unsworth was a serious candidate but says in the LT too.

Lenihan leaving it seems, would be a huge blow.

Thats the point, under our shit owners we are only after the desperate. Im guessing that you wouldnt be happy with Pearce, Cocu or Woodgate for example? Mowbray would be better which tells you everything.

From what I have seen, Venkys have never mentioned FFP and its rare that its brought up in the minutes at fans forums or even by the manager, the recent line has always been the owners struggling in India with the pandemic. For some reason, those most keen to defend the owners have created an assumption that FFP is the only thing stopping the owners from investing more money. The pitch last season was an example of a crack in that fictional theory.

I didnt say that you had personally recommended those candidates, I was saying that you had named loads who you think might be on this supposed list to hedge your bets. Your list was full of dross who id hope we wouldnt touch with a ten foot barge pole, then again with seemingly a small budget and strict limits on staff, the list becomes small straight away. Also add other dross like Grayson, Adkins, Ferguson, Unsworth, Pardew, there are loads of shit options around. Out of interest, aside from a bit of work in a totally different role working with the kids, how do you know that Johnson should stay yet the other 2 should go, how can you possibly be privy to their individual merits? Ultimately, any new manager should be allowed autonomy to decide which of the staff they want to keep and its a huge limiting factor not to allow it, but I dont get how you have individual opinions on our specific coaching staff members. I think the key is not to expect anything soon and to expect the worst with our owners.