Spending money on the sub keeper may be a questionable use of limited resources. Also dont get why he would leave his hometown club who he is sub for to sit on our bench. Especially as Boros keeper is only loan and Warnock will only be there short term. Plus I doubt he would get a big wage here.

I think @Hannoverover has seen him regularly and said that he is crap, apologies if ive misremembered. Of course the off the field stuff means that the deal shouldnt be considered.

Very difficult not to like him as a Rovers fan. Such a good player for us.

Jordan Rhodes scored today for Sheffield Wednesday away at Cardiff. Wonder if he will have a good season this season.

Thats a big statement considering it was his first 20 minutes of League football in which his failed trick led to the winning goal. He was very bright when he came on and I dont doubt that I would like to see more of him in the first team but I think that people are going a little over the top and could lead to potentially expecting too much from him. Duff was a world class talent who not only was exciting but was very effective. Lets not go over the top.

Totally agree that there isnt a perfect correlation between "unattractive" football and winning, there are many ways to skin a cat. That being said, I don't think we would have been battered had we been more conservative, they looked strongest after we had attacked on the counter attack, they had a lot of pace but not that much craft. I do think a pressing style suits us but the way we played today, no part of the side totally convinced me. I dont think we "should've won" either, whilst I always think that the team that should've won will win, in terms of the game, I would say it was very even, quite scrappy at times, and I am surprised that there were 5 goals. Defensively, we are obviously awful. I don't think that the midfield controlled the game particularly, and it is so easy to bypass it, so often they got between our midfield and defence and obviously could shoot from distance. Both wide players were ineffective and the 5 of them struggled to create any good chances, many of our 15 shots were speculative, including one of only 2 shots on target. Armstrong often was left isolated, his goal was when he came alive, but he often looked to peel off and our midfielder on the ball at that time was neither capable or brave enough to look to play him in, but it was on all of the time. My main point is regarding an inferiority complex, not to sound too much like Vinjay, and this isnt aimed at you by the way, just a general point. I dont think anyone truly believes that we are good enough to be up in the top 6, or even close to it. We lost a game late on against another side who will be competing at the top end, it is only one game but it is gutting. Understand that the manager needs to come up with the usual spiel, full of positives etc and not too fussed about that but if we had got a result it would have probably felt like we had pulled off a shock as a plucky underdog. I remember Brentford away last year. Quite a few people were preempting a loss before the game had kicked off, even though we were in good form at that time, we needed to make ground up and were playing a fellow play off rival. We threw a 2 goal lead away yet people seemed happy with a draw.

The take home thing for me is that we have lost which obviously has worsened my mood! Whereas if we won id be very happy now. I would much prefer supposedly less "entertaining" but more effective football

Big thing to say based on 2 competitive cameos. Long way to go before we know what we have on our hands properly. Mistake today too for all of the bright attacking play.

Cannot fathom that at all. It isnt going to serve as a kick up the arse and I just dont get how you could watch a game with the raw feeling of disapointment and think that, totally impossible for me to empathise with it.

Impossible to take any consolation from losing a game based on that. Although one game wont make a difference.

Absolutely gutted, football is about results and we need to get plenty to get where we want but conceding 3 goals will not get us there. Bell an absolute stand out, dont recall anyone as technically bad as him, numerous mis-controls, anytime he got forward he messed up his cross and once or twice they attacked on the result of his poor play. Why did we give him a new contract? Nyambe brilliant for the second goal and we need to sign him long term. Lenihan and Williams werent that bad individually really but we conceded 3 again. Kaminski made one good save and had no chance with the 3 goals. Quick distribution, mainly long, very reluctant to come off his line though. Midfield very busy and tenacious but too easy to get round the other side or get shots away from distance. Johnson the pick of the bunch. Armstrong was quiet but good to see him get a goal. Often peeled off but the midfielders/wide men didnt play the ball quickly enough or bravely enough to put him in. Not good enough though in front of goal, 15 shots, many pot shots and only 2 on target. Brereton did a couple of nice runs but totally inept in the air and just never offers a goal threat which he has to. Rankin Costello did nothing of note either. No idea why Evans was brought on at that time. Rothwell and Dolan were bright but the latter was at fault in the build up to the third.

Is there? Cook has over 300 appearances for Bournemouth, and theres about 500 career appearances overall between the 3 of them.

Lewis Cook, Stanislas, Adam Smith and the back 3 should all be familiar to regular Championship watchers, Solanke was a 20m signing who has got an England cap, Lerma was a big money signing and is a Colombia international, plenty of well known faces there. From the 3 more likely to be unknown,,Stacey was at Luton prior to last season, Danjuma was a young pacy winger who played for them a few times in the prem and Travers is an Ireland international who I remember had a good game deputising when Ramsdale got injured.

Seems that the random twitter person was wrong.

You surely judge on who we do sign, rather than hard luck stories. Deals we cannot get done are worthless, that doesnt warrant the strawman argument that we should start paying really high fees. No one has said that. If you just admitted that you would not have been happy going into the season with the same poor defence, rather than trying to justify it even though you have said more than once in the last few weeks that you would like a defender or 2 in by the end of the week, and it has never happened, then it may get you more respect and provoke less arguments. Was Mawson even a target, or just an example given by Waggott trying to plead poverty? If Mawson was a primary target as a loan deal considering we have this "European Scouting Network" then surely thats a little concerning?

Their manager has said that he picked up an injury on international duty.

Not a fan of Akinfenwa doing the punditry. Doesnt seem to know much and didnt know Craig Cathcarts name.

Yeah thats the one. Picked the ball up.

Yeah they will struggle to replace Brewster, even if he was only there for half a season. They have done some decent business, getting Guehi and Woodman back was crucial, Smith will give them some experience that they lack and Lowe will contribute with a few goals, assists and some pace, although I presume that they are still looking for a replacement for Brewster. But I suppose quite a few teams will consider themselves to be weaker, ourselves certainly included. We are obviously unclear on Kaminski v Walton, not that the benchmark is high. But I would be pleasantly surprised if Mowbray manages to sign players of the required quality to compensate for the lack of Adarabioyo, Downing, Cunningham for a short period and Graham. Samuel, Smallwood, Hart and Leutwiler didnt warrant a replacement, all worthless. Exactly. It is a myth that he is a better attacking player than a defensive one, I have never seen anything to suggest that he has any use in an attacking sense. Regarding Sarr, I suspect that he has become a better and better signing simply out of the ever growing desperation as the days tick on by and our defence remains at the same bomb scare that we started the summer with. Not convinced that he would have been a particularly good signing.

Even though it was a Championship team playing a League 1 team in the League Cup?

I am not sure if that counts as an assist but if it does, then I think thats a first, and in a typically inept display. Put a couple of crosses into the empty stand, and also got another assist for a Doncaster goal.

I'm not sure that a team genuinely thinking that they can compete for promotion should "expect" to lose any game.

Celina had talent but he often flattered to deceive and was not guaranteed a starting place, starting only 28 times and not making much of an impact. Connor Gallagher was more of a loss but Morgan Gibbs-White could have a similar impact. Ayew looks like he is staying and is one of the best players in the division. Brewster and Van Der Hoorn are 2 big blows though. I dont think hes ever got an assist for the club, on the rare occasions that he actually runs forward rather than dithering, his cross usually ends up shanked into the stand.

I dont get how Bell could be seen as a better wing back, he is atrocious going forward.

One thing that I would say is that Watfords side is even weaker tonight than I expected. Wonder where the loan returnees are. Cant see Forest winning the League, lost Cash and have made some shrewd but not title winning transfers in Taylor and Freeman.