No I dont blame him in that he has been treat poorly, and I also wouldnt be surprised if he went somewhere like Stoke in that I dont think he is one of the best full backs in the league, mid table Championship is his level which shows how poor it is that we cannot keep him. Where has that he wants to go to Stoke come from? I dont feel comfortable with us replacing him with Rankin Costello either, assuming he signs a new deal. Hes not a particularly comfortable full back and he spends most of his time injured to the point where I do wonder if a new deal for him benefits us. No mention of an automatic extension in the news article announcing his last contract either, but I cant see anyone being seriously interested should he try to play the field. Would another teams recruitment team know that he has been offered one? There isnt seemingly a youth left back ready and waiting, but finding a free agent left back who is better than Bell is not difficult. I dont recall seeing as poor a left back at this level in the last 3 years, he is dog shit.

Exactly, its just the constant lack of ruthlessness that continues to hinder our club. Easy to forget that when we had players like an aging Craig Conway, a disinterested Jack Rodwell, an incompetent Jayson Leutwiler and a permanently injured Ben Gladwin all out of contract at the end of our first season back in the league, we offered every single one of them 4 a new deal! Hopefully like with the first 2, Bell doesnt see his future here. How do you know that Bell is signing a new deal? He is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with us at the moment, seeing someone repeatedly fall well short of a competent standard yet repeatedly given a new deal presumably out of a lack of imagination, laziness and a quite frankly illogical fear that we could do worse. Hes absolutely appalling. Plus why does he never play when we plan to keep him? If Nyambe actively wants to go to Stoke, a mid table Championship side, and we are ok with that whilst we try to keep a winger made out of class at the club to try and convert him into a full back instead, again, says a lot about the club.

https://roversanalytics.co.uk/blog/should-i-stay-or-should-i-go-verdict-on-out-of-contract-rovers-players An article on our out of contract players. Has to be a proper cleanse. One thing I am sure of is that under no circumstances should Bell get yet another extension. He has been clinging on for far too long and is symbolic in that despite constant ineptitude, he constantly remains in spite of that. Not good enough, even as back up. Get another left back to compete with Pickering. Johnson should not under any circumstances be given a new deal either, his legs have packed in, he will likely be on a decent contract, he constantly gives the ball away and he has joined many others in having a penchant for sitting on the injury table. I think even Evans has more use yet he certainly shouldnt be offered a new deal either, im not sure he will go with much "respect and admiration," that is for sure! The right back situation is a shame, no idea where the name Stoke has come from but Nyambe will sadly move on and be replaced by a far inferior replacement in Rankin Costello (should he himself stay) who cannot stay fit at all. Rothwell is a weird one, wouldnt be arsed if he left, hes not performed bar occasional flashes in his time here, so the description of him as a "player with a unique skillset, highly thought of amongst the recruitment teams of clubs up and down the country, and one of Tony Mowbray's success stories" is for me a misguided opinion. Maybe prudent to keep him around, but as I said, not arsed. Would agree that Bennett, Downing and Holtby should also all go, and Chapman is a weird one, I think based on his impact in League 1 having never had a chance at our level, he is more ready made as an option than Dolan or Brereton at this stage so by all means give him a chance, but we need plenty of attacking signings. Also wonder what will happen to the loanees. Elliott has been a fairly decent success but we dont need to feel honoured to have had him and thoughts of England caps and various awards seem premature. He isnt good enough to be in the Liverpool squad or in the Premier League so maybe he will join a more suitable Championship side on loan next season. Harwood Bellis again is probably needing of another Championship loan, wouldnt necessarily be against him returning, Trybull isnt very good and shouldnt be considered, and Douglas has underwhelmed too. Branthwaite isnt a Championship player.

16/19. 2, 3 and 16 wrong!

To clarify that I am not just trying to shut down any information being shared, this rumour does have meat on the bones without even needing to specify individuals, it has some context, and it also contains plenty of restraint. Whether I or anyone else choose to believe it is irrelevant, I appreciate that this is shared and it is a world away from "people have said" without any context whatsoever. My personal opinion is that Mowbray will certainly finish the season and is likely to manage us into next season, and that the owners dont give a shit and probably dont even know where we are in the league. But I appreciate this sort of post nonetheless so thanks for sharing.

I just think that such supposed "rumours" without even the slightest clue as to where they have come from aside from the word "people" is beyond worthless and more importantly at this stage, provocative.

Just check all of twitter?

Absolutely. A desperate need to be ITK just causes further frustration. At least have the decency to please show where they have come from then.

In what situation would I need to eat humble pie? Part of my criticism regarding the tossers that own us is that they dont care enough to sack the manager you claim that I am defending! But without the slightest hint of where the message came from, so it just comes across as stirring the pot and fabricating rumours. You have posted numerous times after games that "something seems different" and even specifically claimed that you expected Alex Neil to be appointed in January. Needless provocation at a time when you know that everyone is frustrated and fed up.

Youve skirted around an answer as per usual. I keep repeating my insistence that Mowbray needs removing, and have done so for a while. It wont be done anytime soon because our owners are disinterested tosspots.

The crypticness is just needlessly provocative. Who are these mystery people? I saw this tweet which sounds like Mercer who predicts Mowbrays exit after almost every game. I just think its basic decency to add at least some meat to the bones of what at the moment seems like a "rumour" fabricated through forced inteepretations of random tweets.

From where? Just an interpretation of the tweet from Alan Myers?

Just that Alan Myers, someone who has been totally out the loop for a number of years, asked in a quite clearly non comittal tweet about what supporters would do should Venkys sack Mowbray, which he was clear not to directly suggest. You also mention 3pm tomorrow? Is this based just on Alan Myers' tweet? Im just wary of random, unsubstantiated statements such as this getting people into a premature frenzy.

@RoversClitheroe where is this from? Also youve suggested that Marco Silva could be coming in.

Jordan Rhodes scored again tonight meaning that he has 4 goals and 1 assist in 5 games. There is a very useful free transfer for someone there.

If Rotherham got 4 wins, we would need one more point, of course with additional draws for any that Rotherham get on top. I dont think we need 52 points.

Why does it NEED to change? Like I said, it has no impact. If you said you felt anyone who felt he should remain from x date, say Jan 2020 as you did, then even then, how he is doing now would not prove that opinion. Same with you @Bbrovers2288 I get frustrated with the mediocrity. 2 things that aggravated me were people defending Mowbray saying and acting as if the League 1 title didnt matter, and also randomly when we played Brentford in early 2020, we needed to make up ground on the top 6, we went 2 up, yet most people were made up with a point. Infuriated me! So does other fans total lack of ambition within their opinions frustrate me or do I disagree with it, including the "we can do no better" narrative? Yes, it does, but once you start blaming them for being part of the problem, I have to totally disagree.

Hes in self preservation to defend his incompetence. Do you not hold any annoyance towards our absent owners for not giving enough of a shit to do their job and sack him?

Still think we will be fine even if we didnt pick up a point. Sheffield Wednesday need 4 wins from 7 and Wycombe need 5 wins from 6, assuming neither happens, Rotherham would need 4 wins from 10, all unlikely. Next season I suspect it will be very much a season of struggle.

This sort of provocation that you do seemingly after every defeat, when we all know he is going nowhere, is totally unnecessary. You dont believe what you are saying so why would anybody else?! But the key is, and maybe this is more aimed at @J*B who specified that it is partially the supporters fault that we are in this mess, that there is absolutely nothing that any of us could have done to make a blind bit of difference. When Kean was here, I went on many a protest, in the end, he went when he wanted. I did the 1875 protest when Coyle was manager and shouted for him to go too, I dont believe that made any difference. In the last 12 months, which is probably how long ive wanted Mowbray out, maybe even longer, there is nothing we could do, emails wont do anything as much as I respect that it is an effort of some sort, these are pig ignorant tosspots running our club, and we havent been allowed in the stadiums for 12 months. There is nothing of substance that you have done, that J*B has done, or indeed that any of us have done to make a difference, or indeed, that we could have done to make a difference. The I told you so side of it, firstly, that promotion season was a number of years ago, so you cannot correlate his position now and then, there will always be a point when the end comes, take Mourinho, if someone called for him to leave as he won his first title at Chelsea, would he then have been justified when it all went sour at the end? Not at all, a lot has happened between then, and this season in particular has been one of regression, whereby it is got much worse than prior to this season. I have regularly asked for Mowbray to be sacked on here, but its a forum, I dont do so expecting or thinking that my opinion makes a difference, as much as I believe it is valid as anyone elses.

Bizarre question. The reason Mowbray needs to go is because results arent good enough and indeed we are moving further from potential promotion and much closer to the threat of relegation. How would logically that mean that I want us to be in a lower league simply to get rid of him, at that point, id have lost track of the reason he needs to go in the first place, continued poor results.

Lets hope a stopped clock is finally right for the first time. Doubt it.

Youve said this numerous times already.

Question for you and @Bbrovers2288 I have said on here I want Mowbray out for a while so this is not necessarily aimed at me. How have you both "demanded change?" Especially considering stadiums have been closed for longer than a year, 2/3 months after your supposed removal point, what have you done or indeed what could we have done to force the manager out? Baring in mind that there is no evidence based on previous appointments to suggest that fan pressure is critical to the removal of managers. To me, it just appears unnecessarily provoactive nonsense at this stage.

See if Bayes and co back up their criticism by asking Mowbray if he feels its the end of the road etc...