http://www.footballforums.net/threads/transfer-rumours-20-21.276622/page-12 From a Forest fan on Muric as apparently Rotherham want him, ironically to replace Iversen: "Muric was horrifically bad - to the point he handed 3 points to WBA and then was laughed out the stadium at the Valley by the Charlton fans. I would rather have a 58 year old Lee Camp back than him in goal." Also interestingly they also are close to signing Dominic Samuel according to that.

Lets assume that there is genuine interest in Phillips, Iversen and Muric. Why is the first target one that will cost a fee and the other 2 are kids on loan? Last year we had a permanent keeper. We couldnt get in a permanent replacement because wed blown our money elsewhere and the Walton loan seemed very much a late in the window last resort. So IF that happened again and we ended up with a kid on loan, I think people would be very entitled to be annoyed.

If he was ours, considering that the other goalkeeper would also be a kid, id play him. At least hed be ours to develop.

Where is there anything to suggest that Iversen is so highly rated?

He has barely played any senior football to research on. Just because he is at City doesnt mean that he is any good. But even if he will be, he is miles away from his peak. Forest loaned him in probably thinking the same, he played a couple of games and then Forest instantly replaced him. If you cant see the risk and the problems with loaning in a kid who has barely played any professional football then fair enough.

Also, on Iversen. Is he this really highly rated keeper? I had a quick look online, all I could find on Rotherhams forum was this on their squad ahead of this next season: https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38261584&highlight=iversen Iverson. Maybe! He looked a bit iffy and nervous a few games before the season ended. Looked solid prior the that. Iversen. Agree, I’d look for another personally. Pretty much what I was thinking get rid of McDonald Jones and the loans (maybe try get barlaser back) and replace them with 3 new midfielders a new keeper and a fullback and a loan striker. Not really overly enthusiastic. Walton was remembered more fondly in League 1 with Wigan keeping so many clean sheets.

There is nothing to research chaddy, thats the whole point. His career resume is 4 Championship games, 6 League cup games and one game in the Dutch League game.Plus 10 internationals. And this is my point! Loaning in a kid who has barely played any senior football is a massive and unnecessary gamble. Is being Kosovo number 1 now a badge of honour? Hardly a goalkeeping fountain of quality. Plus he is theres forever, so at least if he does get good they will get to see the benefits.

Where are Muric's good moments?

Doesnt make any sense if it is true. I am not rubbishing the idea of loans full stop, a couple can help you on your way. Goalkeeping ones are a massive risk though. It is impossible to feel anything but deflated at what has happened, selling Raya I could live with. Putting the money towards Gallagher and entering a risky chain of loaning kids in goal, I can not understand at all.

Great post. Obviously we are dealing in ifs and buts, we may sign a permanent and/or more experienced goalkeeper, if so, great. I cannot get my head around any defence of what has gone on. If you are selling a young and talented goalkeeper for cheap: - Dont put the money towards a very average striker that you will misuse anyway - Ensure that you bring in a more experienced goalkeeper AND/OR - Bring in a talented goalkeeper of your liking that you can develop How people can endorse starting a chain of loan goalkeepers, when each individual is a huge risk due to the position both due to a likely lack of alternative if it doesnt work out, and the number of goals a dodgy keeper will directly cost you, it is beyond me. Whilst I am not totally ruling out the conspiracies regarding Venkys allowing spending on goalkeepers and defenders. For me it seems a little farfetched and indeed would require a level of interest in the club more than what I think they have! I think it absolves Mowbray of responsibility when looking at his previous clubs, he always struggled defensively. His West Brom team played pretty football but his undoing there was that they were also flimsy. At Coventry he walked rueing the failure to bring in a "man" at centre back amidst a young and inexperienced teams. At Celtic, he once ended up with 6 strikers on the pitch, drawing mockery. He has done some very good things for this football club but as with everywhere else, I think the same mistakes he has made previously that he hasnt learnt from will be his undoing.

That is with Woodman the success story, but there have been a hell of a lot of stories where it has not worked out. We have already tried this before, and it didnt work in Walton. We replaced a talented young goalkeeper, blew the money on a poor striker, and loaned in an inferior but equally young goalkeeper. How is that positive? One of the goalkeepers weve been linked with, Forest got and instantly realised that he wasnt up to it, and signed a better goalkeeper. But oh yeah, he saved a penalty for Kosovo in a game he conceded 5 in! Lets get him in. Hopefully these links are just agent talk and we are after a more experienced goalkeeper. So to clarify, your preference would be to loan in another kid in net, that is genuinely your preference and not just because you have heard that it is what we will do? And you dont see a downside of loaning in a kid, baring in mind that goalkeepers may make more mistakes at a younger age, knowing that if the loan doesnt work out, we really are in the mire with little alternative, as we saw with Walton?

Is having inside info, even if it is not even shareable, a massive point to boast about in your life? No, I moan at the potential, ie its not happened, of loaning in kids on a temporary basis, having sold a more talented and permanent goalkeeper to part fund a poor striker we dont even play in his correct position! Hardly something to be happy about is it. Whereas you have gone out of your way to repeatedly mention these names all week, because you knew we would be publically linked. As others pointed out with you waiting and seeing on Downing, you wait to see what Mowbray has done before agreeing with whatever that is.

Said it before but I would be fuming at bringing in another kid on loan. There is absolutely no scope for what has unfolded to be defended. We had a young and talented goalkeeper who we sold for cheap, ie 2/3 of a poor striker, all thinking that we were going to sign a more experienced goalkeeper for the here and now. We then got another kid on loan who was a disaster and made so many mistakes. If we are now entering a cycle of loaning kids to be our number 1 then I am dead against that idea. It is so risky, if the goalkeeper isnt ready, then theres little scope for swapping him unless as Reading and Forest did, the latter with Muric, you realise before the window shuts and get someone else in. Goalkeeper is the riskiest place to have a kid but if you do, at least have it as your own young goalkeeper, not someone elses. Obviously scope for them to prove me wrong, and at Championship level, be more of a Woodman than a Muric/Grabara/Walton/Virginia etc. But Mowbray has handled this horribly if there is any truth to it all.

So to clarify chaddy, Paul Mani told you these 2 names last week, and ever since that is why you have been bigging them both up, because you had heard we were interested and wanted to make sure that you appeared to endorse them before if and when they actually happened

I am unsure if he would be of the mindset that he isnt ready for 1st team football considering that he has just had 2 full seasons there after winning League 1. He thinks he is now ready to push for a Premier League place!

I always felt that, on the back of Raya especially, his fairly conservative nature was to his benefit in terms of how people viewed him. When Raya made a mistake, it tended to be an obvious one. So many times, im thinking Huddersfield at home, Fulham at home, Readings second goal, he let shots in that werent blatant errors but should really have been saved but for a mixture of poor positioning and weak handling. Whilst not being as blatant as the ones at home to Bristol City or Leeds. His distribution wasnt as eye catchingly bad as weve seen in the past in terms of clearing things into touch, but he never set up counter attacks and often dallied, and his long kicks rarely went off the pitch but they often went towards the smallest man on the pitch with little accuracy or power. You mention his ability to come for crosses but I saw things that backed up Wigan fans saying when we signed him that he has difficulty commanding his box. Off the top of my head, there was the Preston one obviously. There was a corner at Stoke that ended up as a goal due to his flimsy goalkeeping. There was the one at Wigan when he dropped it. There was one at home to Sheffield Wednesday when he misjudged a low cross, he also spilt a low cross/shot away at Boro that led to a goal. Whilst it is immaterial to us which goes back to the folly of selling a keeper and loaning one the same age. It might also be impacted by questionable coaching which always warrants discussion. But I dont think that Brighton are getting back a better player. I suspect that his career is at a cross roads. Certainly nowhere near a Premier League team as he thinks. Due to his loan spells he may get another Championship loan further down and do that until his contract expires as I cant see anyone paying a fee for him.

Very interesting to see some of the posts on here from just before lockdown. Noticed the thread so had a quick look and it was a mixture of answers, but plenty of praise for him: Was he overrated at this point? Or harshly judged for his string of blunders post lockdown? Seems to have gone from a mix of views, genuine debate as to whether he was an improvement on Raya, some wanting to see him as number 1, quite a few as number 2, and some not at all. To universal criticism.

Theres no way that we, as a team coming off 15th and 11th place finishes, could get a top 6 finish in spite of our manager.

To be fair to Mowbray, it sounded like he was getting frustrated at Venkys lack of communication and interest towards him, he was repeatedly quoted as to not knowing his budget, and the lack of proactivity comes from there.

Because Mowbray had numerous interviews including after the Luton game whereby he seemed frustrated at the lack of clarity given to him regarding his budget. Also, because it is Venkys.

No I said that I am not sure whether I wanted him and didnt say that we wanted him. I was just saying in general, our dithering will put us at a disadvantage in general and has done since these tossers bought us.

The point is more that we are always playing catch up and giving everyone else a head start.

Haha. If he has legs then yes. Not necessarily saying that we should have signed him. But it is little wonder that whilst we dally sorting our budget, the delay between here and India etc. That the pick of the free agent market start to go elsewhere. Tony Mowbray isnt this unique developer of his talent ? Keep his options open and if a Premier League club comes in for him, he could get a sharp pay rise and to play Premier League football. He wouldnt turn that down because of Mowbray. He has 2 years left and the power is with him at the moment. Continue his form into his penultimate year and he will be in a huge position of power.

Morgan Fox has joined Stoke on a free transfer. Another left back we were linked with. Wonder if Mowbray is back from his holiday yet?

Yep, would be in Armstrongs best interest to stay as he is for now in terms of not being tied down. By the way, Florian Hartherz has joined Fortuna Dusseldorf I believe.