roversfan99

Yep, we definitely cant become dependant on other teams being shite We need to make a few shrewd improvements to weak areas and Mowbray needs to stop with his nonsensical ideas, false 9s, wide strikers etc and get us playing in a way that is familiar and gets the best out of our players. But Sheffield Wednesday being deducted 12 points and Bristol City and Bournemouth choosing novices or seemingly more qualified and experienced alternatives is a good start in my opinion.

You said I was being very judgemental and over the top which was totally unwarranted considering that I had put together a few thoughts, half of which you yourself agree with, and some bits from his performances, things like Nothing about Pears that I put was in my opinion very judgemental and over the top. I tried to take both sides into account and indeed even said that I would prefer him over loaning in a kid because at least we could develop him as our permanent player. I have not assumed that we are even signing him, I am just passing comment as I have with others we have been linked with. If you are only prepared to comment once all business is done then this thread isnt for you and neither is taking any interest in rumours.

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/transfer-news/blackburn-rovers-pears-middlesbrough-transfers-18747156 Interview with someone from Teeside Live on Pears. Pretty much as expected. Young. Broke through. Has made mistakes especially on crosses. Might be willing to move for first team football. Raw talent but nowhere near the finished product.

Crazy, but I am pleased that they have appointed a novice rather than a proven Championship manager in Hughton as it is better for us, being in competition with them. Reading the comments underneath, it is safe to say that the fans are not happy and understandably so.

Can you please stop with this shite everytime I post an opinion on a link. Obviously my opinions and comments assume that he is signing, as is the point of discussing transfer targets. Do I think he, Iversen, Muric, Phillips, Marshall, any of them are likely to sign? Poissibly not, I know that being linked with a player rarely leads to a signing so at this stage it is hypothetical. I commented on Mowbrays scouting network and how signing the son of a former teammate of Mowbray, an opinion you clearly agree with having liked Paul Mani's status saying as such. I said that I think it could be a good move if he was underneath a more experienced keeper, a point again you agree with having liked Paul Mani's status saying as such. I mentioned Marshall specifically. I also shared some opinions from Middlesbrough fans because obviously with such few appearances, knowledge on him will be minimal on him. You are constantly vocal on not caring what other fans think, fair enough, scroll past it because I do and I would suspect that other fans would be interested in what fans at his current club think of him should there be anything to the rumour as its good to know what we are getting. Their opinion was again mixed, but suggests what you would expect from a 22 year old, that he is probably not ready made to be a number 1 for a team chasing promotion. I shared a statistic which was somewhat favourable in regards to his shot stopping, so again thats not "judgemental," just adding some meat to the bones in terms of our limited knowledge on him. If I had said that I am outraged that we are even linked with him, or if I said that if we sign him I wont go and watch us etc then you may have had a point. In general, my opinions on the 5 goalkeepers that I have seen us linked with have been very varied, 2 (Phillips and Marshall) I have said that I am happy with, 2 loans that I have dismissed (mainly on the principle that I do not want a kid on loan which is a consistent opinion I have held) and on Pears, mixed, very skeptical if he comes as number 1, which I suspect he would (would we pay a fee for a sub keeper?) but I much prefer that if the goalkeeper is young, that he is ours. I dont think that I am being judgemental by having these opinions, nor negative. (or positive, there is a mix of opinions) If you are genuine in your first sentence, surely you wont bother reading this thread until the end of the window? The pestering journalists and debating and suggesting potential signings will stop and you will wait and only comment once all of our business is done?

People have been fairly unanimous in being content should the links with Phillips and Marshall be anything other than paper talk. As the board was when we signed Johnson for example. And Holtby. So not sure that this "our fans are desperate to moan at anything" is totally accurate.

I am unconvinced that he would move (especially from his home club) at such a young age permanently to come and sit on our bench. I would agree though that it could make much more sense to us if it was accompanying a more experienced keeper ie a Marshall.

Pears would make further mockery of this European scouting network if Mowbray went and signed the son of someone he used to play with at Boro! He is also not a goalkeeper for the here and now, he is a goalkeeper well away from his peak, it wouldnt be a move that says we want promotion. Boro fans seem fairly split (to be kind), common acceptance that Warnock (a much more ruthless manager) will trade him in for the finished article in a short term move, some think he has talent, some mention that he is too small, weak at crosses, comparisons to Steele and Connor Ripley etc: https://www.oneboro.co.uk/forum/topic/10500-the-summerautumn-transfer-thread-2020/page/186/#comments Might be ok with an experienced keeper aswell like Marshall but I dont think theres any chance of that. If we sign him we will have a 22 year old goalkeeper which is not really suggesting any serious promotion aspirations. https://twitter.com/MarkTaylor0/status/1288012506192125957/photo/1 His shot saving % is pretty decent, similar to Raya and better than Walton. All being said, I would at least prefer him over someone like Iversen or Muric as he would at least be our player to develop. Iversen was playing in League 1 and seemingly not pulling up any trees, Muric had a shocker, at least Pears has a bit of Championship experience and would be our player, thats scraping the barrel for compliments. But yeah, give me a Dillon Phillips, a David Marshall, or indeed someone outside of the usual names who can come in and perform straight away. Pears for sure above a kid on loan but not what we need.

Even assuming that Marshall joined on a one year deal, which I dont think would be the case. We will assume as such for comparitive sakes. Both are stop gaps. One is an experienced goalkeeper, of proven quality, part of a better defence than ours last season and not error prone. One is a total rookie, very young, very little senior experience bar one bad experience. Even if Muric did grow, it wouldnt be to our benefit.

No, my point was not necessarily about the duration of the players deal, although youd probably sign Marshall for 2 or 3 years rather than one. It was and always has been that I am against the idea of loaning a kid in net, when he is most likely to make mistakes that will be on our watch rather than for his parent club. I also feel that this approach is made 10x worse because we had a talented keeper of a similar age to Walton and Iversen and older than Muric and we sold him for cheap, wasted the money and now instead of developing our own young, talented and raw goalkeeper, we are developing worse keepers for other teams for a year. If you have a young keeper who by the fact he is young will make more mistakes, you want it to be your own at least. Marshall at least would be a steady hand, the opposite of thesr error prone rookies, and one who has already shown that he is capable at this level. A critical part of a better defensive unit than ours. Compared to this, Muric has made barely any senior experiences and a team who finished above us last year dropped him after 4 games, upgraded and sent him back. How could you possibly get excited about someone like that, regardless of a penalty save he once made when he conceded 5. You have suggested them both (Iversen and Muric) numerous times this week, defended them and the prospect of signing them, of course on the back of hearing the rumour that we wanted them, have externally requested and posted stats for them etc.

So much inconsistency here by the way. You dont want Marshall because of his age and thus lack of longevity yet are bigging up signing a kid on loan for a season? You also are regularly insistent on players being desperate to play yet have a presumption that Marshall is after the money. Also, I would welcome Marshall because he would provide experience and has shown his quality at this level already. Surely that goes against your theory (like with Dillon Phillips) that I am just moaning at anyone we are linked with?

Further views on Iversen to a Leicester fan asking for views on him from Rotherham fans. Mixed views. Common view seems to be that he was good but there is better out there. Weak coming for crosses. Talented but makes mistakes. You look back at Walton and people said the same.

http://www.footballforums.net/threads/transfer-rumours-20-21.276622/page-12 From a Forest fan on Muric as apparently Rotherham want him, ironically to replace Iversen: "Muric was horrifically bad - to the point he handed 3 points to WBA and then was laughed out the stadium at the Valley by the Charlton fans. I would rather have a 58 year old Lee Camp back than him in goal." Also interestingly they also are close to signing Dominic Samuel according to that.

Lets assume that there is genuine interest in Phillips, Iversen and Muric. Why is the first target one that will cost a fee and the other 2 are kids on loan? Last year we had a permanent keeper. We couldnt get in a permanent replacement because wed blown our money elsewhere and the Walton loan seemed very much a late in the window last resort. So IF that happened again and we ended up with a kid on loan, I think people would be very entitled to be annoyed.

If he was ours, considering that the other goalkeeper would also be a kid, id play him. At least hed be ours to develop.

Where is there anything to suggest that Iversen is so highly rated?

He has barely played any senior football to research on. Just because he is at City doesnt mean that he is any good. But even if he will be, he is miles away from his peak. Forest loaned him in probably thinking the same, he played a couple of games and then Forest instantly replaced him. If you cant see the risk and the problems with loaning in a kid who has barely played any professional football then fair enough.

Also, on Iversen. Is he this really highly rated keeper? I had a quick look online, all I could find on Rotherhams forum was this on their squad ahead of this next season: https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38261584&highlight=iversen Iverson. Maybe! He looked a bit iffy and nervous a few games before the season ended. Looked solid prior the that. Iversen. Agree, I’d look for another personally. Pretty much what I was thinking get rid of McDonald Jones and the loans (maybe try get barlaser back) and replace them with 3 new midfielders a new keeper and a fullback and a loan striker. Not really overly enthusiastic. Walton was remembered more fondly in League 1 with Wigan keeping so many clean sheets.

There is nothing to research chaddy, thats the whole point. His career resume is 4 Championship games, 6 League cup games and one game in the Dutch League game.Plus 10 internationals. And this is my point! Loaning in a kid who has barely played any senior football is a massive and unnecessary gamble. Is being Kosovo number 1 now a badge of honour? Hardly a goalkeeping fountain of quality. Plus he is theres forever, so at least if he does get good they will get to see the benefits.

Where are Muric's good moments?

Doesnt make any sense if it is true. I am not rubbishing the idea of loans full stop, a couple can help you on your way. Goalkeeping ones are a massive risk though. It is impossible to feel anything but deflated at what has happened, selling Raya I could live with. Putting the money towards Gallagher and entering a risky chain of loaning kids in goal, I can not understand at all.

Great post. Obviously we are dealing in ifs and buts, we may sign a permanent and/or more experienced goalkeeper, if so, great. I cannot get my head around any defence of what has gone on. If you are selling a young and talented goalkeeper for cheap: - Dont put the money towards a very average striker that you will misuse anyway - Ensure that you bring in a more experienced goalkeeper AND/OR - Bring in a talented goalkeeper of your liking that you can develop How people can endorse starting a chain of loan goalkeepers, when each individual is a huge risk due to the position both due to a likely lack of alternative if it doesnt work out, and the number of goals a dodgy keeper will directly cost you, it is beyond me. Whilst I am not totally ruling out the conspiracies regarding Venkys allowing spending on goalkeepers and defenders. For me it seems a little farfetched and indeed would require a level of interest in the club more than what I think they have! I think it absolves Mowbray of responsibility when looking at his previous clubs, he always struggled defensively. His West Brom team played pretty football but his undoing there was that they were also flimsy. At Coventry he walked rueing the failure to bring in a "man" at centre back amidst a young and inexperienced teams. At Celtic, he once ended up with 6 strikers on the pitch, drawing mockery. He has done some very good things for this football club but as with everywhere else, I think the same mistakes he has made previously that he hasnt learnt from will be his undoing.

That is with Woodman the success story, but there have been a hell of a lot of stories where it has not worked out. We have already tried this before, and it didnt work in Walton. We replaced a talented young goalkeeper, blew the money on a poor striker, and loaned in an inferior but equally young goalkeeper. How is that positive? One of the goalkeepers weve been linked with, Forest got and instantly realised that he wasnt up to it, and signed a better goalkeeper. But oh yeah, he saved a penalty for Kosovo in a game he conceded 5 in! Lets get him in. Hopefully these links are just agent talk and we are after a more experienced goalkeeper. So to clarify, your preference would be to loan in another kid in net, that is genuinely your preference and not just because you have heard that it is what we will do? And you dont see a downside of loaning in a kid, baring in mind that goalkeepers may make more mistakes at a younger age, knowing that if the loan doesnt work out, we really are in the mire with little alternative, as we saw with Walton?

Is having inside info, even if it is not even shareable, a massive point to boast about in your life? No, I moan at the potential, ie its not happened, of loaning in kids on a temporary basis, having sold a more talented and permanent goalkeeper to part fund a poor striker we dont even play in his correct position! Hardly something to be happy about is it. Whereas you have gone out of your way to repeatedly mention these names all week, because you knew we would be publically linked. As others pointed out with you waiting and seeing on Downing, you wait to see what Mowbray has done before agreeing with whatever that is.

Said it before but I would be fuming at bringing in another kid on loan. There is absolutely no scope for what has unfolded to be defended. We had a young and talented goalkeeper who we sold for cheap, ie 2/3 of a poor striker, all thinking that we were going to sign a more experienced goalkeeper for the here and now. We then got another kid on loan who was a disaster and made so many mistakes. If we are now entering a cycle of loaning kids to be our number 1 then I am dead against that idea. It is so risky, if the goalkeeper isnt ready, then theres little scope for swapping him unless as Reading and Forest did, the latter with Muric, you realise before the window shuts and get someone else in. Goalkeeper is the riskiest place to have a kid but if you do, at least have it as your own young goalkeeper, not someone elses. Obviously scope for them to prove me wrong, and at Championship level, be more of a Woodman than a Muric/Grabara/Walton/Virginia etc. But Mowbray has handled this horribly if there is any truth to it all.