None of them 4 potential loans would be on my list. 2 suggested permanent signings ideal.

Hes not that strong, hes easy to push off the ball. He doesnt use his pace to run at his man. And hes never scored goals at a respectable rate, a bit like Gallagher hasnt.

Do you not feel Rothwell would look better central? He looks slow and afraid to run at his man. Hes a central midfielder.

Do we know Samuel has potential?

Thought he was having a medical within 48 hours! Its an investment for a player we know fits in, we know combines well with Dack and Graham, whose young, fast, and can improve. Its not alot of money. Sure they were just chatting, Ojo would add pace but not sure he has the quality to push us on.

Do you think Rothwell was good? Surprising. Do you not agree that he looked out of position and unable to run at his man? Like i said, unimpressed but obviously it was a friendly, his opponent was Clyne whose a class above. But id prefer to see him central. Lacks the attributes, the pace, dribbling, directness and flair, from the looks of it, and it does him a disservice out of position. Same with Dack, didnt understand why the useless Samuel wasnt central and Dack just off with Bennett wide. Dont know if its just a lack of match fitness but Dack looked a tad heavy and sluggish to me. The nutmegs on Klavan was superb however. The main thing that impressed me was I think with Mulgrew, Lenihan, Smallwood and Evans, theres a base and an element of reliability there.

If theres any truth in that, and he goes elsewhere and we get someone cheaper itll show a lack of ambition and an acceptance that we could go back down. Fingers crossed we buy him.

Dont get that comment underneath. If we are scraping the barrel the backlash will be aimed at our negligent owners and not Mowbray.

Obviously a pre season friendly but one thing that was confirmed was a total lack of attacking threat. If we was to go in to the season with the current squad wed get relegated as we are toothless. Our new signings will determine how we do. If we spend a million or two and are clever in the loan market hopefully we will stay up and look up the league. If not... Thought Rothwell looked poor, he doesnt look very fast and didnt look like a winger, which from what ive read hes not so he shouldnt play there. Doesnt run at defenders or commit them. Davenport was really sloppy in possession, surprisingly really. Dack is obviously not a striker so totally wasted there for all his quality. Samuel was poor, doesnt use his body well enough. Surprised Bennett was central considering the 2 ineffective wide players we did pick. Lenihan had a shocker, I know his passing isnt particularly good anyway but in particular today his passing was all over the place including in the build up for the penalty which Raya should have been off his line earlier to rescue, that said well done on a good save. Didnt have many other saves to make but kicking reverted to type. Mulgrew a class act on the ball and his anticipation to clear one off the line. Missed his organisation in the second half. Nyambe also very good, a real physical threat and used it well. Williams on the other side was the polar opposite, as was Bell, both poor. Smallwood and Evans neat and tidy in possession, think theyll start the season over Davenport if im honest. Sometimes I think Evans links well with Dack. The team for the last 30 minutes just showed how lacking in depth we are and were ripped apart. Enjoyed watching Keita in particular. Hes one hell of a midfielder.

He doesnt know hence him having a couple of teams in the mix so he has more chance of stumbling across a story. From where is this figure plucked? Id be pleasantly shocked if it was that much.

Can understand why people are so underwhelmed and frustrated. I do agree with @chaddyrovers (minus the irony) that the article is a bit pointless without a name but whoever this supposed player is, its going to be a really raw untested one, almost certainly on loan. The quotes in the article from Mowbray are the biggest take out in that he seems to be getring frustrated. It seems we are not shopping in a competitive market, the 2 signings weve made, whilst Davenport im quite happy with neither will improve the first team loads and I would expect both to be subs maybe initially. As mentioned we need more than 2 attacking players. If we dont sign some quality it will be a long season at the bottom and the momentum will soon be lost.

If Wildshut wants to come to the North West then I think he could potentially be a decent buy for us.

Fair enough. If you arent prepared to share then it seems totally pointless to even mention it, seems as if you are trying to play the in the know card everyone is so eager to play, but its just the same rumour of the 3 players most prominently linked to us anyway. Cant wait for the season to start now, rumours are getting silly. Thing is no one would be surprised if all of our signings are none of the players mentioned.

Isnt fantastic a massive exaggeration? He was loaned out to Ireland last year, he cant be as good as you say. Besides, Hart will probably leave himself so its a moot comparison. Left backs one position with Williams and Bell that we look solid in.

Saw Jack Doyle liking a tweet (I know!) suggesting that he was a trialist playing for Oxford and scoring in a friendly earlier today.

Who sent you this? Alan Nixon? A lot of people re hashing the same rumours as their own.

Why do you place so much importance on experience in the league, when one of the 2 examples is of him massively failing? Makes no sense. By that logic, Akpan would be better than Dack. You cant use experience in your argument if its bad experience, as it was at Bristol City. You are basically constantly trying to second guess the manager or the club to ensure that when we sign whoever we sign, you will undoubtedly be 100% positive. Has Mowbray signed anyone in his time here who, when he signed, you felt like we could do better, or you didnt agree with the signing? Out of curiosity. Mowbray spent well over a million last season on Dack, Samuel, Gladwin, Hart etc, therefore if we dont spend more than that, considering we are in a higher league, surely the fans have a right to ask why the club isnt being more ambitious, considering if we dont spend enough we are in risk of going down. No one knows the budget, im not saying it is low, or high, we dont know. Id be disappointed if we didnt make at least 2 signings that are more significant and first team worthy than the 2 we have already signed for peanuts. Because people arent totally convinced as to the quality of those 2. Kent is the type of player we need but unsure regarding the quality/calibre. Positive is his time at Barnsley, but you seem to totally disregard last season for him as if it didnt happen. Gallagher, his season here was the best of his career and he still didnt score enough, and he was next to useless at holding the ball up and being the target man I expected. How do you think Bradley Dack will do this season, out of interest? Factoring in his lack of Championship experience?

Why Chapman or a cheap centre back? 2 totally different positions. Isnt that more that you dont think that we have that much to spend full stop? Its not much in the scheme of things but could make the difference between being in the thick of a relegation battle and looking upwards.

Mentioned by @Butty at the top of the page. I definitely think we need a pacy, direct winger. Im just unconvinced by his lack of success in previous loans and also the risk is how Liverpool penalised Bristol City and youd presume us for not playing him. So it has to be a success. Dont want to play him just to avoid being penalised. Lets hope so. We will never know the terms. I can understand it from Liverpools side to ensure hes playing. It may force Mowbrays hand to start him, weve seen with Chapman and Payne that he sometimes does handle pacy or flair players with caution, perhaps too much especially in Chapmans case last season. You might guess that his initial inclination would be to use him as a sub (due to lack of alternatives at the moment hed have to start anyway) so financial penalties might force his hand. Attitude problems at Barnsley commented on by @Butty Because its a loan signing of a player who hardly set the world alight at Barnsley and whose career has regressed with poor loan spells at Freiburg and in particular, Bristol City. You cant just overlook that to suit your argument. It is a risk yes, bigger than many loans assuming Liverpool insist on similar clauses which seem to be common now. He does tick a lot of boxes in terms of a pacy, direct winger so im happy with that but there are big questions about his end product, stats prove this with a lack of goals and assists. Form and potential financial penalties are my primary concerns. All depends on the other signings. If we sign a couple of permanent attacking players to go with him and hes just one of our various options then it could be a shrewd signing. If hes amidst a series of loans then we may have a problem. As a standalone signing its a jury still out, could go either way.

That does surprise me! Hes a quick, direct winger so he ticks a lot of boxes in that we dont have anything similar. So I can understand to an extent. There are a lot of big question marks however. He would be on loan so we need to make sure we also sign some more permanent signings. Need at least one permanant winger and forward to come in. Bristol City were fined for not playing him as @Tom pointed out so what if its the same here? There are big question marks about his attitude which goes against Mowbrays insistence on not taking on anyone who could upset the dresssing room. His time at Bristol City was a disaster, he was terrible. His time at Freiburg was equally poor. Hes never consistently impressed anywhere so its a big gamble. If he does sign I will be underwhelmed, I am glad he will bring pace and directness as an option but there are many potential issues. That said, its just a rumour so I will wait and see.

No pace at all. We need pacy attacking players. Billy Jones set to join Rotherham for free. May have been good competition for Nyambe at right back.

And Mason Mount. An experienced side with 2 sprinklings of exciting, attacking quality to go on top, loan signings that they would never be able to afford permanently, thats how to use the loan system. Cant be too reliant on it.

Cant believe thats been put in the links thread ? Theres no player name! Just a chancer threatening a story. Holmes would be decent, Cotterill too slow and not good enough. The calibre we should be looking at, would be very happy with it but have we been directly linked?

Thanks. Totally agree about idiots on social media but there will always be them. Evans is totally out of order for his comments but I dont need an apology as he didnt do it to me and also calls for him to be sold on the back of this are going too far IMO. Still do find you suggesting or implying that he was abused beforehand based on nothing prior to this as really strange and difficult to explain.

The key thing I took issue with is you ASSUMING that the fans abused him BEFORE he said what he said. Something youve still been unable to clear up. In my opinion, youve made this up to suit your narrative of lambasting the fans which I dont understand. When do fans give out about him at games? Where have you got this from as I must miss it every time. Im not saying that fans havent gone over the top on social media, they will do but I could understand why the ones who were there are so annoyed. I dont agree that he should be sold about it and Ive no doubt that people will have over reacted and like I said if anyone has taken it too far with "savage abuse" or mentioned his family (do you have proof of this?) then I dont even slightly condone it. But I do think that hes out of order for saying what he said to fans who are spending good money to watch the team in a pre season friendly and I cant understand why you are making up prior antagonisation from supporters to justify Evans' behaviour.