How are you so sure that Bowen "knows his stuff" and is an "excellent coach?"

The ticket prices for Sheffield Wednesday are an absolute disgrace, immensely petty by Waggott.

England have done well against a terrible Bulgaria side and amidst a horrible backdrop. Winks makes a massive difference, whereas Rice, a bog standard ball winner often hides, Winks is always available and keeping things ticking over.

No hence the word "seemingly" but it all seems a little fishy. Theres no way that Bowen has earnt that job on merit, even in the short term, and I can understand the wholly negative reaction from the Reading fans. Apparently he only recently joined Reading, was partially responsible for appointing a new manager, and happened to get it himself. I am glad because in case we get dragged into any danger, I think Reading have one of the 3 relegation places sewn up.

I really cant get my head around Alexander Arnolds continued exclusion. He talks about players in form, I dont think theres been a better right back in world football compared to him since the start of last season, yet he doesnt start.

Bowen has no managerial experience, hes come in and seemingly stabbed a manager in the back to get the job himself. How would you have reacted had Mowbray been sacked and Mark Bowen appointed here? Even without the way he seems to have got the job. Doubt youd be happy so why are you implying that Reading fans are expecting too much.

Very strange appointment. No experience of being a manager at all. Common consensus seems to be that Bowen has stabbed Gomes in the back. Appointed sporting director a few weeks ago, integral in the process of sacking Gomes, and a key part of "naming" his replacement. Would fancy Reading for one of the relegation spots now personally. The fans arent going to give a chance to a rookie who they deemed to have been underhand in getting appointed as manager. All replies underneath suggest that they consider him to be a snake.

Think Nyambe is the better choice at RB.

A game we very much need to and should be winning, irrespective of signs of life following the appointment of Cowley. Walton Nyambe Adarabioyo Williams Downing Travis Johnson Holtby Dack Rothwell Armstrong Subs: Leutwiler, Bennett, Hart, Chapman, Graham, Evans, Gallagher Big 2 conundrums are left back and up front id suggest. Bell cannot play, Downing is a slightly risky choice at LB (with Nyambe a more defensive choice on the other side) but for me the least risky choice available. Armstrong I would let have a go up front to add to a couple of recent goals. Samuel I dont want near the squad either. I do expect to see Downing and Armstrong wide, Gallagher up top, Bell left back and Holtby and Rothwell kicking their heels on the bench.

I have never been overly impressed by Rashford, I dont think hes that good. But he certainly isnt on form and there would be no justification for playing him over Sancho considering how well he is doing at Dortmund, goals and assists all the time. Rice is a bog standard player for me, good to be in the squad, not one to build around. Jordan Henderson is a regular and is the captain of superb Liverpool side. He is far better than Rice, and as I said you dont need both. It was more just a comment on Mourinho, I wasnt saying he should be manager but I am not convinced that Southgate is capable of organising these defenders. Thoughts on his continued selection of the woeful Michael Keane and repeatedly going back to Delph?

Rashford, as @K-Hod touched on is so overrated. Been absolute crap for United, I've never been that impressed with him his numbers have never been particularly impressive whereas Sancho continues to impress for Dortmund and gets goals and assists. Deserved to start although had a poor game. Henderson is far better than Rice, Champions League winning captain and a constant in an unreal Liverpool side, if its on club form hes one of the first names on the team sheet. Rice is decidely average however, and you dont need him AND Henderson. The latters passing was poor yesterday but he was at least making himself available and showing some leadership and some bollocks, Rice hid all game, never making angles. Winks should play for me. Trippier was woeful all last season as he even admitted himself, I think the move to Atletico seems to be a good one for him but enough to jump him ahead of the top class Alexander-Arnold? Not in a million years. Chilwell should start ahead of Rose, another of Southgates favourites. And how Keane even makes the squad is a joke, one of Southgates favourites but absolute dog shit. Same with Delph, only missed out through injury. Would be really interesting to see how a Mourinho type would do with England for a tournament. His ability to organise and drill a team, with the players in attack always capable of nicking goals.

Why Rice, Keane, Rose and Trippier were playing, I have no idea. Everything wrong from Southgate.

I know, look at my comments in the style of play thread about Burnley. I totally endorse teams playing a style to suit their players, their resources, not playing what is fashionable or deemed attractive. But its hypocritical to approve Ainsworth doing it and criticising Hughton. Whose Brighton team got promoted banging in plenty of goals anyway. Disagree on Johnson, such a gamble. Especially this notion of custom assembling backroom staff around him with further former players or other people. A manager should pick his own assistant where possible.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11830591/burnley8217s-style-of-play-is-now-unique-among-premier-league-teams Found this to be a very good article, albeit such a shame that its our rivals getting the praise. Theres an obsession with playing it out from the back, we are the perfect example of a side who it doesnt suit, who seemingly dont understand how to do it and seem to be trying solely because its popular. We dont have the players and ultimately this season has been incredibly boring and led to few goals and few goalscoring chances. Burnley have 2 strikers, they have wide players like the talented Dwight McNeil and they consistently overachieve and have a consistent, set style. Dyche sadly is a superb manager and the sooner a bigger club realises that, Sadly amidst the snobbery in the game I cant see that happening at the moment. Clubs would rather get a more exotic choice, a Marco Silva or a Quique Sanches Flores and ultimately flatter to deceive but trick people into thinking its better to watch. He would be a superb choice for Everton.

Out of interest chaddy, Ainsworths Wycombe dont have a reputation for attractive football by any means. Why doesnt this bother you, but all you can talk about regarding Hughton is a supposed boring style? Chris Hughtons last season as a Championship manager saw his side score 74 goals anyway, and youve repeatedly defending the "style" of football Mowbrays Rovers have played, which almost every single other person finds to be boring, so suppose it is all subjective!

Absolutely disastrous news, the player I would argue if we picked someone who would cause the most damage by being injured, its him. A monumental blow that will cost us a few places in mid table IMO. I would go as far as saying that you could argue that only 2 of our players are of top 6 quality, Cunningham and Dack. Bell has had more than enough chances, hes the worst left back I have seen in a Rovers shirt, and has that fatal mix of lack of ability, and also cowardice and a half arsed demeanour. He shouldnt be considered even now. We have 3 options, all scraping the bottom of the barrel. Downing at LB, albeit we then lose him as a midfield option and of course its a risk baring in mind he has minimal experience there. Sam Hart, but he looked out of his depth last time he played for us and im not sure half a season at Southend proves anything really. And Williams with Tosin and Lenihan at CB, which means Williams plays in a position he is crap in.

I dont know enough about Barnsleys plans going forward to comment specifically but I do think that too much importance is placed on stability nowadays. Managers often plead for more time but they only warrant that time if they have proven to some extent that they are progressing. They also tend to have a shelf life at a club, so too much "stability" invariably leads to stagnation and then decline. There are various clubs and examples of clubs who have decided to make what at the time seemed risky or unfair decisions on managers that paid off. Watford have made numerous managerial changes and got success out of that system, at a higher level so have Chelsea (managers with short lifespans at the club, as soon as success dims they are ruthlessly removed and in the main successfully replaced) and a good example is at Southampton. Nigel Adkins was doing a solid enough job, there was media outcry when they took on Pochettino from Espanyol, but it proved to be successfully proactive. Mowbray is an example of this. Overall, albeit with fairly ample resources, he has taken us from being a very disjointed bottom 3 Championship club, via a relegation and promotion, to a lower mid table club that seems very stable and settled. At the moment, I feel almost certain that we wont be dragged into danger, but I also dont think he has the capability to push us with the required consistency towards the top 6 where he wants us to be. A change would split those who see the same situation as steady and stagnant.

No but objectively, did we have any good chances aside from the goals? If the answer is no, how can you justify being hard done by? Grahams half chance was the only other decent chance I can recall. As I have said, if that is the blueprint for a good performance then the standards are piss poor. Both games were like watching paint dry.

Would have to disagree, Williams is a shit left back but Bell is just an absolute disgrace of a footballer. As bad a left back as I can remember seeing.

Do you have a picture of this quote? Absolutely disastrous if so.

Another worry is seemingly a level of delusion within the group. The captain seems to be echoing the managers assertions that we played well v Luton and Forest and deserved more from them. We were shocking in both and I only remember one clear cut chance aside from the 2 goals scored.

Amidst various problems with that team, no Holtby at all?

The goal apart, we didnt create a clear cut chance as far as I can remember. It was a horrid watch, and those I spoke to agreed. Matter of opinion, but did we have a chance aside from the goal that was a decent chance? Same story, different game. Surely if you were happy up until yesterday, it is a bit of an overreaction on the base of one game?

But the passing is remedial and in no way threatening, other teams that are well organised see Lenihan, Williams and co passing it side to side and think yeah, have it there, because it never leads to anything progressive or penetrative. Having more passes than last season isnt a badge of honour if we are even less threatening, and there is nothing to be applauded about having more passes if they are totally pointless. I think that if we repeatedly have struggled to create clear cut chances in EVERY game this season then the new style of football isnt working. You suggested the other day that it had garnered improvement that you had seen v Luton and Forest, for me we were shite in both games, stodgy, slow, lethargic, totally blunt, even worse than last season. I also do think that the striker has a responsibility in terms of the amount of chances we have, chance creation isnt just a burden of the players behind him. Some have that knack of being able to anticipate and sniff out where the ball will fall. Rhodes was a master of it, regardless of the levels of service. Likewise Graham last season, many of his goals were scruffy, I think all inside the box, but he got 15 or 16. He looks leggy in his limited time this season but look v Luton, when players had the ball Gallagher I felt went hiding in the box, and when he had the ball near goal twice he instantly tried to pass on all responsibility and gave the ball away trying to pass the buck. Graham came on, the first thing he did was peeled off his man and got a shot on target. He soon after peeled round again and it took a last ditch block to prevent him. Gallagher does not have that knack of knowing where the ball will fall. Regarding changes, 1 or 2 isnt the problem, of course you cant rely solely on 11 players, but no one knowing our best team isnt healthy. Preston and Forest make subtle changes amidst an overhaul consistent system, when they change personnel it doesnt change the overall make up of the team, look at PNE, Johnson or Browne, Potts or Harrop, Barkhuizen or Maguire, it doesnt really make much difference. Our squad has some talented players in it but it is incredibly imbalanced. We are horribly light in defence, we have plenty of midfielders but all of them want to play centrally, and absolutely no cutting edge. Mowbray also seems reluctant to include more than one "flair" player on a regular basis, rather than embracing a potential strength, and trying to fit Dack, Rothwell and Holtby all in the same team. How do you know about the wages we spend on our manager compared to other teams? Surely we could offer more than Charlton. The manager is the most important person, makes no sense to penny pinch on him and spend 12m on 2 shit strikers!

There is some shite in this league chaddy, its competitive because there isnt THAT much quality in it. You dont have to do Sky Sports marketing campaign for them haha.