Constant moaning and cynicism? You are cherry picking what you want to read. I have only seen one poster refer to the conspiracy theories, and whilst I understand the distrust due to this happening before under our terrible owners, I dont subscribe to these theories in this instance at all. I think that Mowbray is doing a good job, as I keep saying, and the most important thing is results. First season, he failed his task but it was a very difficult task to keep us in the league. Was happy to see him remain. Very good last season and again we are doing pretty well this season. The fambase is united behind him, and people (bar maybe an isolated exception) are not asking for him to be removed or against him, contrary to what some are saying. So results are what matters and Mowbrays have been good throughout his time here. I also feel like the key to his success has been more reliant on the players he inherited and the extra he has got from them. Said that many times and feel like hes excelled in that area far more than hit and miss recruitment whereby as @K-Hod correctly points out AT THE MOMENT which is when we judge only a couple of his signings are actually in the team. You keep saying how excited they are by Brereton. May I ask your opinion on these issues: (please dont say Mowbray knows best he seems him in training, just interested in your view, not Mowbrays) Do you not understand and empathise with people wanting to see more of such an "exciting" talent? Would you not rather see him in his natural position as a central striker when he does feature? As he played at Forest to command said reputation. With Brereton presumably intended to play a much more prominent role as the season progresses, do you still think that a striker should be first priority in January? Lets say Danny Graham picks a knock up in training. Everyone else is fit for Birmingham at the weekend. Who do you start up front? I dont have a problem with you or your opinion. My only issue is with the undercurrent of arrogance in terms of implying you know better than others.

@Paul Mani I totally agree that Mowbray did very well to get promoted, hes done a good job in general, and hes got the fanbase united beind him. Hes done more right than wrong. But not everything he has done is right. Nor can we expect it to be. But we can point it out. Alex Ferguson is as good a manager as there has ever been. He signed Eric Djemba and Bebe. Ive no idea if you are claiming superior knowledge in a ironic sense, or it is genuine arrogance but either way you surely appreciate that constantly going round teling people that whilst shooting any constructive criticism down on the sole notion that Mowbray knows better than us and thats that, is going to rub people up the wrong way.

@Paul Mani theres an undercurrent of cryptic arrogance throughout your post. Firstly, please can you state what your job is in football? Apologies if ive missed it but its the elephant in the room in every one of your posts, you clearly want people to know. I find your angle really strange. You come onto an internet messageboard, which is a vessel for fans to discuss their opinions. You arent doing that, you are just saying Mowbray knows more than us all as if that is a valid way to shoot down your posts. Did you join the forum expecting posts to consist of people just echoing Mowbrays decisions and saying I agree because he knows more than us? No one is claiming to be a better potential manager than Mowbray. If he signed players in League 1 solely to guarantee promotion, may I ask why such a short term objective has been totally flipped on his head, going from signing players solely for the upcoming season, to signing players solely for the future, not expected to contribute anything at first? I also disagree with the notion that we signed players solely with a short term aim in mind anyway, supported with quotes below: https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/15565159.i-think-the-signs-are-there-that-it-will-be-a-good-combination-tony-mowbray-on-rovers-duo-bradley-dack-and-dominic-samuel/ “I was very aware of not trying to burden two 23-year-old boys to fire us out of this league." “But I do think that Samuel and Dack were brought here for some money that we had to spend and in the long-term help this club progress back up the leagues." Your comment that only Whittingham didnt contribute is nonsense too. Whittingham contributed far more than quite a few players, notably Hart, Leutweiler and Gladwin. Mowbray knows far more than me, but I signed up on here before he even joined, solely for the purpose of giving my own personal opinions, under no illusions that I am not qualified to actually become the manager. I also stand by my criticisms on the summer business we did too, and the lack of impact most have had so far. But hey, I dont know as much about football as you.

Couldnt agree more. Makes this place totally pointless for one. As long as they are the opinions of a professional manager or coach? @JacknOry responds to these points in excellent detail. There is a myth circulating that Rovers fans are expecting loads from Brereton already and its blatantly not true. There is also a myth that it is ok for him to be solely a project, as if hes an untested kid. Hes got plenty of game time under his belt at Forest at this level. Point 1 defunct. The reason point 2 is moot is because Mowbray wont consider Brereton to be a striker, one of the key elements of the whole debate. Armstrong doesnt play up front either. Thats point 3. Understand that he will take a bit of time to acclimatise but hes part of the squad and again going back to the myth, just having him as a second choice striker with Graham ahead of him is hardly expecting loads. The Palmer and Dack experiment, and the Dack up top experiment simply didnt work. Surely testing the waters with a young, talented striker with Championship experience made more sense. Surely you cant really defend them choices.

I dont subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories about financial reasons etc. I just dont get the quote I have put in bold. I dont see why it is arrogance to give your own opinion. One of his primary reasons has been that Brereton lacks the physique to play as a centre forward. The fact that he made his name as a striker at this level, and also that the 2 players he chose ahead of Brereton are far slighter in build, means that it is fair to question the logic of that statement, without that being considered arrogant or like we know more than a professional football manager.

You dont know Gallagher is on 24k. You take Mowbrays word as gospel even if your opinion is the total opposite. You then shoot those down who share your initial view and defend Mowbray. Yes, he sees him more on the training ground and yes he has more football management credentials than you or I. But if thats your attitude then an internet messageboard is not the place for you. You dont acknowledge that many are of the view that we are not in a position to be signing players SOLELY for the future. That does not come down to anything on the training ground. Even though you yourself want Brereton to be starting games as a striker. My plan for Brereton would be as a striker, initially second choice behind Graham, playing whenever Graham is unfit or lacking in form, or as a strong alternative. May I ask, if your main defence of the Brereton situation is that we cant fit him Graham and Dack in together. Which has a degree of logic to it. Why are we so desperate for us to sign another striker? That problem will double. Here are a few articles of Coyle being open with fans. Took 1 minute to find a few random articles. Mowbrays openness is not a unique trait, its a byproduct of an era in which interviews are done numerous times a week. Didnt make a difference. He was still useless. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/14804095.Owen_Coyle_believes_Ryan_Nyambe_is_one_of_a_number_of_young_players_who_have_a_chance_at_Blackburn_Rovers/ Coyle on our academy players. https://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/sport/14624311.Owen_Coyle__Newcastle_United_not_the_only_club_interested_in_signing_Blackburn_Rovers_captain_Grant_Hanley/ Coyle on bids for our best player. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14626876.hes-blackburn-rovers-through-and-through-jason-lowe-can-be-our-leader-if-grant-hanley-leaves-insists-I have been stopped from posting this by moderators.-coyle/ Coyle on his debatable choice of captain! Did you empathise with Coyle solely because he explained himself?

I find your first paragraph slightly hypocritical considering thatt I would hazard a guess that at least half of the team lineups that you have recommended in the last couple of months have had Brereton in them. @JHRover is bang on the money with his post. Firstly in terms of the money we have spent, which belittles the "newly promoted" inferiority complex that people mention. And also, the problem many have, including one you have aired many times, is HOW Brereton is used, positionally, not that he should be first choice in that role. Just because Mowbray explains something doesnt mean thats 100% right, logical or to be agreed with.

Not for me. The wide areas are a position that we need to develop in terms of players who can have a more immediate impact. Chapman is riddled with injury issues and is publically not a potential starter under Mowbray. We need players to come into those roles and contribute goals and assists as we are overly reliant on our central 2. Mowbrays summer recruitment has yet to bear fruit with none of his 4 attacking players making a significant impact. Which is illogical anyway baring in mind his prime alternative has been to stick Dack up front! 100%. I struggle to empathise with those so staunchly defending our summer recruitment. So should we totally withold all opinion until x amount of months have passed? We are on a messageboard and can only judge at this point in time. At which point, are there any signs that significant attacking recruitment in the summer has really developed us or enhanced us at the moment? Id suggest not. A prime argument is that Mowbrays summer recruitment has *yet* to show signs of developing us at all as an attacking force, with very little in the way of attacking contribution aside from Dack and Graham, despite plenty of money being spent.

Absolutely shocking.

Whilst I think Mercer is going well overboard with his statements. Not being a bullshitter or a tosspot is no benchmark or barometer to judge our manager against. He certainly has done a good job and I am happy to see him continue and have no doubts at all about his immediate future. It doesnt sit right with me however that he deserves or gains credit for not being Coyle, not being Kean, essentially not being a useless prick. Not many are that bad! I also think Mercer made a very fair comment amidst his posts, that Mowbrays recritment is very hit and miss. The key is to appreciate our season this far without going overboard. We seem to be consistently inconsistent, only winning back to back games once, and only losing back to back games once. Therefore, theres not much evidence to be able to confidently predict a sustained push at the top 6, nor is there much evidence to be overly fearful of a slide down into trouble. The football has been pretty uninspiring at times, direct, pragmatic and full of long balls. The signings with healthy backing have IMO raised more questions than answers and failed to develop the team much if at all from last seasons convincing promotion winners. There are questions about ruthlessness and game management. The most pleasing thing to see is the spirit that has undoubtedly continued to drive the team and has seen us get results against teams such as Leeds, Villa, Derby, Forest and WBA. I certainly think we are going pretty well, Mowbray is a popular manager who is deserving of an almost unanimous backing with credit in the bank from last season.

Our position or perceived overachievement is totally irrelevant. No one is saying they could do a better job than Mowbray. Just critiquing one of his signings. On an internet messageboard. Not mutualy exclusive to enjoying the league campaign in general.

Couldnt agree more on McCarthy.

But surely the manager and his coaching staff, equipped with countless hours of coaching experience, know better than us mere mortals who were naively happy with the signing?

You dont seem to be able to fathom the points I am making: - I dont think we are far enough in our development to be able to spend the majority of our budget on a player who isnt even in the thinking in terms of naming a starting 11, half way through the season. - I dont think the player from what I have seen of him and what I have read up on him is raw to the extent where he cannot even contribute, not even play when Graham is unavailable, or is not a better bet as a striker compared to Dack. I would have him as our second choice central striker at the moment, whereby a degree of cautiousness can still be used. - I dont think the player is best suited to a wide role. The fact that the manager and his staff have more experience of coaching than me doesnt make me any less entitled to an opinion, it doesnt make Mowbrays opinion 100% water tight and to be taken as gospel, and it isnt a valid counter argument on a fans messageboard designed for fans to air their own opinions.

What does "they dont feel the time is right" even mean! I find it baffling that you think people will respond to the implication that we can sign a big money signing SOLELY for the future, not even considered for a start, and people will just shrug their shoulders and say fair enough. Signing a cherry when we are nowhere near making our cake. Hes not as raw or as unready as you claim, as he showed at Forest. If people were moaning that he wasnt scoring goal after goal then maybe patience would be a valid buzzword but they arent. They are wondering why he is not even considered to be a striker, even on the occasions when our only alternative is unfit, and we play Dack up there instead. If people were moaning that he hasnt started most or all of our games, again, call for patience all you want. But they arent, just why he hasnt started even one, even when Graham was unable to.

Whilst that is true, it doesnt justify why his points per game total, albeit in a very limited sample size, is considerably LOWER than Hursts feeble record with them same players.

That doesnt explain any of my points though. It doesnt explain why a 7 million pound striker is not considered even as a back up in a position he played well at Nottingham Forest at this level, even preferring to move midfielders up front. You mention not having the players but he has had 3 windows, spent plenty of money, and the likes of Rothwell, Armstrong, Brereton and Palmer have all failed to establish themselves in the team. None of those at the moment can be argued as unqualified successes. Nor does them "being whats available" wash as an excuse. I also understand a degree of pragmatism and conservatism but it is very much one extreme to another, expecting to change from playing the most long balls in the league to playing free flowing football.

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Liam Feeney, Adam Henley and Gordon Greer all know the players, manager and the area, shall we sign them too? it isnt the main factor otherwise our recruitment would be very limited. I would prioritise a centre back, at least one full back and at least one winger. Brereton would be considered solely to be a striker and the baby gloves would come off. I still am struggling to empathise with his treatment of Brereton. Both positionally and in terms of not being even considered to start. I know what he has said, but explaining why he thinks its a good idea doesnt mean that I will, or that it is. I dont agree, many others dont, and you dont! Anyway, just agree to disagree on Brereton.

Match points and fans tweets dont keep you in the league, nor does a manager losing 4 games on the bounce.

My main point was to refute the fact that Lambert is improving things at Ipswich. His points per game total is considerably less than the failing manager he has followed, including 4 successive losses. Mowbrays first 6 games here brought 4 draws (Burton, Cardiff, Norwich and Fulham) and 2 wins (Wigan, Derby) so an improvement was tangible. I don't dislike Lambert, hes a miserable sod but I've got no particular beef with him. His signings of Bennett and Graham were good, just as Mulgrew and Graham (permanent) were for Coyle. I feel like he has underwhelmed at too many clubs and blamed mitigating circumstances on each occasion to the point where his own record needs to be questioned. Hes obviously not as poor a manager as Coyle but similarly he is dining off a job he did quite a while ago.

But YOU disagree yourself with Mowbray and have said so many times. Whats the difference? So surely there is no point suggesting team selections, no point suggesting transfer targets, no point suggesting substitutions, because if they are different to what Mowbray does and says then its pointless wasting our time talking about it? Hope not, would like to think we can do better than Gallagher. By the same token, its not Mowbrays good work that we went 1 nil up in the first place? We've thrown away a fair few points from winning positions.

I'm glad that we arent going in that same "right direction" and similarly "improving at Rovers" then!

After getting stick for all that time, its the least they deserved, and now they are going to go down and no doubt McCarthy will be grinning from ear to ear.

You've forgot the point of an internet messageboard again chaddy, Even if Mowbray plays him (or doesnt) in a certain way, we dont have to agree with him. And in terms of potential discussion topics, a 7 million signing yet to start a league game will always be near the top of the potential discussions, so prepare to be bored for a long time! I would either have taken Graham off if he was tiring, which I dont know as I wasnt there, or not brought him on at all. That being said, it would make a mockery of our number 1 priority being another striker, because then when would he get any game time either? I dont rate Sam Gallagher very highly so am thankful that Nicko doesnt know what hes talking about. I would play Reed centrally but I acknowledged that he has been excellent and possibly the only unqualified success in terms of summer transfers. Mulgrews goals have been 3 penalties,a free kick and a direct corner. My main point was that Mowbrays attempts to bring in attacking players especially to fill the wide positions have yet to bear fruit. Stats back that up.