He was central for them 2 cameos.

Quite a lot of posters praised him for his team selection, for example Conway and Downing, after initially fearing for it.

Again, not true. Bad performances I suppose do require more of an autopsy as to whats gone wrong, plus frustration will be multiplied when for example spent good money travelling in all weathers to support the team. That said, theres been plenty of praise on the Sheffield Wednesday thread alone. Regarding your last sentence, thats totally not true. Think of the stick that Dack has got, that Bell has got, that Williams has got, that Rodwell has got, that Nyambe has got etc in the last week. The manager takes the brunt of everything of course either way but lets not make it out to be a witch hunt.

If anyone did put that then they are obviously talking shite but I havent seen anyone and remain unconvinced. Fed up of this need people have to imply that masses of our fan base want the manager out or have asked for it etc, its quite clearly not true and people only do it to seemingly shield any criticism from him or to try and make people look stupid.

Who said that he isnt good enough and should go? If City got hammered 4-1 and then 3-1 in a matter of days, regardless of Guardiola and the job hes done, hed get criticised. He made some very questionable subs and tactical choices (no striker v PNE, subbing Williams for Graham at Wigan, playing Rodwell at centre back) that warranted and brought on criticism. Either im missing people directly calling for a change of manager or its being manipulated that theres loads of people wanting a managerial change to try and make people look stupid and remove any scope for criticism at all. I dont feel like we are fighting above our weight either considering the resources Mowbray has had, that being said he is doing a good job as the vast majority will echo. Where are these quotes? Mowbray got plenty of praise yesterday, and post match I personally didnt see anyone saying it is in spite of Mowbray at all, in fact a lot of people including myself held their hands up. Mowbray has received plenty of praise, after games such as Leeds and Brentford are obvious examples.

Who should be embarrased? I dont understand your post in that any team will always court criticism if it hits a drop in form. Too many people on here manipulate those criticisms to be judgements about Mowbrays overall position.

Nyambe was much improved in the second half but much of his play in the first half was pretty clumsy and brainless. Overall id say 6 out of 10 which would probably be the worst rating. We looked so dangerous playing between the lines, we were creating chances from open play and it was a far cry from most of the games recently. The front 4 all on the same wavelength. Agree totally on Conway. Thought his intelligence and some of his clever touches anticipating the ball before the full back to take him out of the game showed how cleverer he is than many of the alternatives. We were right to doubt him, he was really poor and leggy all last season and it was only a one off but today took me back to the days when he was easily one of the best wide men in the league. His decision making was superb too. I think you are overestimating the achievement in that they have lost their way since then dramatically. Many players are injured, have left or have been frozen out. That said, for me as much as the result is always the key, the performance and the way we beat them deserved credit regardless of how poor they were.

You said it in response to someone claiming he had a major impact. The only really way that could be interpreted is downplaying his hat trick. Graham has been excellent for most of the season, hes ahead of Brereton on merit but Brereton should be solid second choice, no more faffing around with midfielders there. Grahams intelligence makes his partnership with Dack a dream.

I cant believe you are deriding Graham for the type of hat trick goals he got. He was outstanding in general as he has been almost all season. More goals is what he was missing.

Prestons keeper wins the gaffe of the day award. Another day, another defeat for Lamberts Ipswich. Starting to get detached.

Many peoples argument was that it was a luxury that we couldnt afford, baring in mind imbalances in the squad elsewhere. Its impossible to forget the price when judging him.

No need for the gloating, I am happy as anyone with the performance and the result, and am happy to heap praise on Mowbray just as I was criticising him after the last 2 games. We set our stall out in the first 10 minutes with some superb pressing, which is always when we look at our best, hunting in packs. After the very much deserved goal, the quality of the game in general dipped until half time really and become very scrappy. One of the most pleasing things for me was that the goals were from open play, Dack and Graham are two incredibly intelligent footballers and were right back on it today. the 2nd and 4th goals in particular were superb team goals, showing that our players are technically capable if we dont resort to aimless hoofing. Downing was absolutely excellent, he is a very average player but hes an actual centre back and it really showed, bar one suicidal pass. The run and pass for the second goal was absolutely brilliant and he was a colossus in the air. Mulgrew was good but I felt he was a bit weak for their second. At full back, Williams was much, much better, Nyambe I thought was our weakest player but improved after a poor first half. I hope Conway wasnt the man doing the doping test, felt like he must have taken something to play like he was 5 years younger, a terrific performance by him and I was willing him to get a deserved goal at the end. Mowbray has mentioned putting him central as he gets older but again whilst there is a twinge of logic I dont think he is the type of player best suited as a central midfielder. The middle 2 were pretty solid and efficient with the odd forward pass, helping with the pressing game too, albeit they are chief perpetratetors in the aimless kick over the shoulder stakes. Overall though, much better in there. Reed was as good as ever, should have scored but his energy levels and his quality are obvious. Dack was back to his best, absolutely superb, goals, assists, technique, and gave his all. Him and Graham are so key to us. A very good day.

Absolutely appalling team named. Not looking forward to this game at all with such uninspiring line up. That midfield has absolutely no creativity to it. Prove me wrong.

I disagree that he is capable there, and if he plan B, I dread to think what plan C was, a striker?! If our 2nd choice signing to fill the centre back void in our squad, baring in mind only Mulgrew and Lenihan are competent natural centre backs at the club, so it was an important signing, is not even a natural centre back then theres a problem. I believe that Sunderland at a point last season thought similar, that maybe Rodwell could be reinvented as a defender, and abandoned the project pretty quickly. I said at the time that its illogical to suddenly try and reinvent a 27 year old midfielder at that stage of his career, lacking in confidence and having not played there since his youth career, was always almost certainly going to backfire. Mulgrew played much of his career in Scotland at centre back, and I remember Celtic fans saying when he joined that if he plays anywhere other than centre back then we might have a problem. I think Mulgrew is underappreciated even now but in his first season much of the calls to get him into midfield I believe were borne out of frustration at the state of our midfield with dregs like Lowe and Akpan playing in there. I appreciate that Brereton surely will eventually become a centre forward here but seemingly no time anytime soon. The whole incapability to play wide is a whole seperate debate that I dont really want to get back in to. Obviously we are basing it on a snapshot of where we stand now, how the balance of the squad looks now I have acknowledged that I would prefer the squad we have now any day over the squad Mowbray inherited, but considering the 3 windows he has had, the resources he has had, the freedom he has had, do I feel like the squad AS IT LOOKS NOW is anywhere near as balanced as I feel it could and perhaps should be? No.

Dack and Samuel I believe were also signed as projects, Mowbray I'm sure said something about signing players with their profile to develop, so with much more than solely a short term objective of promotion. One of those players didnt work out, one is worth many times his cost now, either way, they were not just signed SOLELY for promotion. I have never said that we are massively underachieving, I have never implied that I want Mowbray out anytime soon The whole team was pathetic in both displays, as was the manager in terms of his selections, substitutions and tactics. They were 2 pathetic overall displays by everyone. My point as I have explained in my previous post was about the balance of the squad, with us struggling to find an adequate solution in various positions. I feel like the summer window was quite a poor one in spite of some decent players being brought in, I have explained window by window why I dont necessarily concur with the "we are 2 windows from competing for promotion" based on the success of past windows. That doesnt mean that I am not happy with Mowbray in charge.

I havent at any point doubted that as individual players, the players we have brought in are of a decent calibre. My issue and criticism has always been with the balance of the squad. I actually think one thing that was strongly in Mowbrays favour straight away was look at the players you mention, Emnes, Joao, Gallagher, Hoban, also Hendrie, none of whom we would have particularly cared about losing I would argue, all of whom their loans expired so he didnt have to struggle to offload them. Lowe, Akpan, Mahoney, Guthrie, Brown and Greer were the obvious ones who are examples of my point though, he was able to start a clear out with most of those obviously expendable out of contract and those remaining players we had of value all under contract and able to build around. Signing players fit for purpose in certain positions is something that is just as important as the player himself. Kasey Palmer is a very talented player but he impressed especially at Huddersfield helping them to promotion playing as a number 10, hes not played there at Rovers. Jack Rodwell is obviously a talented midfielder albeit one with baggage but playing him as a centre back is not something he is suited to or used to and he is not effective there. Ben Brereton was signed at a time when we desperately needed a striker, we didnt need a wide forward. We signed primarily midfielders but we have no real centre back or right back cover (barring those filling in from elsewhere or a poor Downing) and the whole wide midfielder thing is obviously a big problem, last season there was a certain balance to our team but thats deserted us following the mass of players signed for those positions. My issue with Mowbrays recruitment is not that some havent worked out, theres Hart, Gladwin, Samuel, Bell etc but everyone makes poor signings. Its the imbalance of them.

So Dack was signed solely to get us promoted, and not as an asset, as Samuel was, albeit he turned out to be crap? You're doing that thing again where you are just blindly agreeing with Mowbray regardless of what you see with your own eyes. He may have tried to justify why he likes his wide men doing x and y, but is it working? A chronic lack of goals from open play, especially at home, suggests its not entirely working. A total reliance on the most long balls in the division to create attacks suggests it is not entirely working. The players he has played wide, goals wise, Reed has 1, (his one at WBA came from a central role) Palmer has 1, Bennett has 0, Rothwell has 0, Brereton has 0, Conway has 0 and Armstrong has 1. 3 goals from wide positions from 18 games. None of the wide men have shown anything like enough quality or consistency to nail down a spot, none of us have a clue who he will pick today, that suggests that his recruitment in those areas is perhaps slightly questionable. Same with signing Rodwell as 3rd choice centre back. I know, his new contract doesnt change the fact really that he isnt going anywhere anytime soon and thats totally irrelevant to the point I am making. I am just saying that thus far his recruitment has been imbalanced and very mixed and needs improving. Am I saying he should be sacked for it? No.

The one thing that I find perplexing is the focus on the extra windows required. Surely thats only a strong argument if past windows had highlighted a consistently strong window by window improvement in terms of recruitment? Im not convinced it has. The first window, he signed Dack which proved as a catalyst for improvement. The overall summer was mixed but the likes of Smallwood, Downing and Antonsson were all useful short term in League 1. There were a lot of players that have fallen by the wayside since, Whittingham, Samuel, Hart, Gladwin to name but 4. The second window, Armstrong was a particularly good short term signing, Payne and Bell where much less successful, the former wasnt played in his natural position. The latest summer window was possibly the worst for him in terms of he had ample resources, he signed 7 players and only really Reed has established himself, and even then he is moved from centre to out wide and back too often. Rodwell isnt a centre back, Brereton, Palmer and Rothwell arent wide players and Armstrong likewise and hasnt been good enough. Considering hes had 3 windows. We look really poor at left back, we only have 2 competent centre backs, one right back, one trusted centre forward and no one anything like securing the wide positions. Thats a chronic lack of balance in the squad. If you look at the team Mowbray would naturally revert back to, Raya, Lenihan, Mulgrew, Nyambe, Williams, Evans, Bennett and Graham would almost certainly be in it. Im not sure that the team has improved much since he joined nearly 2 years ago. In terms of building and progressing window by window, thats a concern. Obviously he has done a lot of good for the club and certainly shouldnt be sacked anytime soon or anything like that but its just a point that I felt needed raising on the constant bleating for patience as he needs x more windows. He should have done better/more in the windows hes already had and he needs to be better in terms of player recruitment.

The main thing that Kean and Coyle had in common is that they were bloody hopeless managers. If they were doing well do you really think people would have disliked them? He signed 7 players, with only Reed (a loan) so far proving to be an unqualified success. The squad has certainly more quality than when Mowbray arrived and he gets more from those who he inherited but it is also too imbalanced with many players struggling to find any consistency. Wilder signs players for their specific positions. Mowbray in the summer didnt.

I think the contract is a year too much personally but he deserves it considering the job hes done. Lets hope he can iron out the recent blot on his copybook so to speak. Plenty of credit from last season.

Weve put in 2 horrendous performances and got 2 horrendous results in a week. Of course people will be mad. My point was that the word patience is hurled around in general (not with Mowbray) but you need to see signs at least that progress is being made, however slowly. Patience is just a buzz word used to ridicule those who question the manager. Im sure he is a nice guy, Ive no real interest in meeting him, Ive not met him, it has no bearing on my opinion of him as a football manager. I like him because overall hes done a good job, not because hes a nice bloke. Every manager tries to explain themselves but it doesnt mean that they are right. Hes explained why he signed Rodwell as a centre back, I dont agree with it even though it had a small hint of logic to it, and it hasnt worked. Im not going to credit him for doing something counter-productive simply because he explained his supposed logic in a press conference prior. He has done a lot of good, my point was that people may question a manager if at any point aspects of a long term plan dont seem to be fitting. Many of his summer signings havent really done much, nor do they appear to have a specific role within Mowbrays plan at the moment. They are talented players but not necessarily best suited to playing the roles theyve been signed for. That doesnt give me much confidence that 2 more windows worth of his signings would leave us well equipped for promotion. Just pleading for patience isnt a counter-argument to that point. Can you please stop banging on about people talking about sacking him. Removing potentially Mercerman (who himself has more hinted and implied than said it) no one that I have seen has suggested it so stop using it as a shield to make people look stupid. Mowbray does have enough credit in the bank, people arent arguing against that. Recent performances/results, especially the last 2, will always cause a lot ot criticism.

Graham went off at 3-2.

Im not one to ever judge on what he says, its all about what he does for me. He does seem like a nice guy but that is also almost an irrelevance to me and shouldnt make a difference to our judgements. Rodwell playing at centre back is a perfect case in point. His reasoning may seem somewhat sensible but on the pitch it doesnt seem to work, you can tell hes not a centre back, his defending for Wigans 2nd is a case in point. Same with strikers wide, midfielders up front, playing Smallwood and Evans, playing occasional back 3s, it may sound logical when he explains it but if it doesnt work then such things need to be tweaked and abandoned and he deserves to be questioned rather than praised for his "honesty." My only fear is that we hear all the talk about progressing the squad, needing x number of windows. Hes had 3 so far, and the last one particular he was backed with resources belittling the fact that we were in League 1 last season. I dont agree that merely staying up would be an adequate achievement either considering the resources at our disposal. And patience is often a word used in preference to actual reasoned judgement. Patience is only worthwhile if there are obvious signs of progression. You look at the summer signings, undoubtedly we brought some talent to the club. In my opinion it doesnt seem to have been done with much balance or forward planning, the only unqualified success is only here on loan. He signed 7 players and we are still short in a number of areas, whilst having plenty of players (Palmer, Rothwell, Armstrong, Brereton, Rodwell) none of whom have really enhanced consistently any of the positions that we needed. All that being said, Mowbray does have enough credit in the bank obviously to continue and I havent seen anyone suggest otherwise. The manner of our promotion was impressive and we are hardly in a poor position at the moment. But he needs to give the team some consistency, attacking threat, defensive stability and identity back.

I pointed out everything that I think is wrong, and everything that needs addressing, playing the ball through the lines, pressing high, braver team selections, less loyalty to those not good enough, signing players for the actual position they play in. (unlike most of the summer signings) Mowbray has never named a side anything like that so Ive got no idea why you think he will on Saturday.

Whether you try to empathise and understand or not. They were the incorrect decisions, they led to a woeful result and a woeful performance. Your problem is if he makes a correct decision, you judge him on that. If he makes a wrong decision, you listen to what he says in an interview and judge him on his intentions, always taking them as logical even if the result on the pitch shows otherwise. Thats always your argument when you have nothing constructive to say. I know it wont make a difference what I say but its a messageboard and if I think a decision he has made or continues to make is wrong I will say it. The reason you cause so much controversy is because you cannot tolerate any criticism of Mowbray even when he is wrong. Would you have made that sub? Would you have signed Rodwell as a centre back? Would you continue to play Smallwood and Evans? Would you continue to use Brereton and Rothwell so sparingly? Would you continue to play long ball football?