His position wont become untenable because theres absolutely no chance that he gets sacked either way. We arent going to pay up 3 years of his contract. Just like the club wont cease to exist with a year as you again implied the other day.

I dont see why Luton would care if he plays or not to be fair. Just happy someone was desperate enough to contribute to his wages.

Forward planning 😂 Great that Waggott will finally be gone but it wont change anything. The issue is Venkys, replacing Waggott with a novice in Gestede wont make much if any difference.

We will have to win most likely 7 out of 7 to get into the play offs. At least 6 if we are lucky. If you think that is remotely possible then you are going to be sorely disappointed. I suspect you are going to be pretty annoyed if you are going expecting a crowd focused solely on "getting behind the players."

I think we know roughly what the club will do over the summer and it wont be good. Only at this club can you have periods where judgement is totally frozen. Obviously he isnt anything close to the main issue, and I dont doubt that the squad is limited, but its not 0 points against Cardiff, Stoke, Derby and Portsmouth limited.

Fair enough, your prerogative to refuse to answer is fine. I suspect its because you know that if you say a number and its not achieved then you would lose further credibility. Regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season, come the summer it will be have some patience, give him a summer to get the players he needs, too early to judge etc. Exactly. 3 points is better than 1, especially when we hadnt played 4 of the worst teams and he had inherited a side near the bottom rather than a top 6 team. Eustace didnt impress many last season but Ismael has been something else. A total disaster. I love how now hes gone, he can no longer have that Stoke win 😂

My question was specifically how many points does Ismael need to get in these 7 games whereby you will happily back keeping him into next season and not ask for a new manager? 0 points? 5 points? 7 points? 10 points? 14 points? Results under Eustace were poor and I was unconvinced by him. I didnt call for him to be sacked though. He didnt take over a side in the top 6, he didnt have a run of really winnable games to start off with and his results werent as bad.

My point wasnt about the game in general. It was about the poor recruitment that has led to that being a potential starting 11. Ultimately, its hard to have any real investment in the game. The season has gone, and the chance of a very poor manager getting a result with a limited squad is low. The more interesting thing will be the atmosphere and how toxic and volatile it is towards the owners and board. We wont sign 2 new keepers in the summer. Pears will be number 1, Toth will either be number 2 or sent to some obscure team with a cheap back up in to replace him.

I didnt criticise your specific team, in fact I went out of my way to try and be clear on that to avoid you saying that. It was to highlight how poor recruitment has been, somewhat down to Gestede and co but mainly due to the budget. The fact that Pears is an automatic pick because we again found a worse keeper somehow is a great example.

Im not on about what Rovers will do. We will definitely keep him. Im saying would there be a possibility depending on results over the last 7 games whereby you personally would want a managerial change in the summer, and if so what results would lead to you thinking that? Or is it a case of he gets the summer either way, even if he lost pretty much every game? I dont think he should have been appointed and would welcome a change now. I dont have the knowledge to know who would be a good replacment, but it would be hard to be worse.

Thinking of the right player?

Forgetting any disagreements on the team and ultimately in terms of football, the season is over now. That is a perfect showing as to how bad our recruitment has been. 3 signings from the god knows how many we have made this season, 2 are forwards who have 6 league goals each, and ones a veteran centre back. Hedges, Dolan and Pears still there. Its not a criticism of the team you would pick, its a criticism of the squad we have. Still, more than enough available to get more than zero points against 4 relegation strugglers.

You was very consistent with Eustace in not judging him at all until after the summer. The difference was obviously the condition that we didnt go down. Are you the same with Ismael, you may have already given the answer to this/an opinion on him that I have missed so if so apologies. Ie, is it a clean slate come the summer or would you be more open to wanting him out prior?

Im not sure any stranger things have happened in football. This is a club whose owners have totally neglected it for 15 years and a side who subsequently has regularly experienced drastic nosedives post christmas as we are seeing this season with a run of 4 wins in 19. And whose new manager has lost 4 successive games to struggling sides and has displayed continious incompetence. It would probably require winning all 7 games to get into the top 6. I include Leicester's title win and Greece's Euro win in not being stranger things.

Is there a point to which in your opinion, results in these last 7 games could be bad enough for you to want a change in the summer? Ie if we win 0 or 1 of what would be 12 games, would you potentially want him out, or is it a free pass until the summer? It wont happen either way, they wont pay him up, but still.

You arent far from having the same experience as the current one, to be fair.

You are still clearly in the honeymoon stage with Ismael where you are deluding yourself into thinking he might be a good appointment. You wont accept at least publically that he may be a dud. You repeatedly have started to try and criticise former managers in a way you never did during their employment. The squad is undoubtedly limited, as I have said before recruitment has been poor which is unsurprising when the budget is so low and a novice is in charge. But its certainly better than 4 losses to 4 strugglers. Yes Eustace sometimes lost to struggling sides but not every single time like Ismael. We beat Derby this season at home, we beat Portsmouth this season, we won at Hull this season, we beat Oxford this season, we beat Luton this season, all of these were under Eustace. We also beat Plymouth under Lowe. Had we say won 2 and lost 2 of the last 4, people may have still been frustrated, but prior inconsistencies against lower clubs could be raised. To not get a single point goes beyond that, and invalidates that point. You keep mentioning what he wants to do with his style but thats not a style we are seeing. We arent creating more chances passing it, unsurprising as our team doesnt suit that. A stat I have just read, the lowest shots on target per game this season is Plymouth with 3. Under Ismael, we have had 12 shots on target in 5 games, so 2.4 per game. He had 2 weeks to work with the squad and we looked just as bad yesterday. The team looks disjointed, lacking an identity, doesnt look like it knows what the manager wants from them. You are the only one who sees any green shoots because you base his management on what he says he wants to do rather than what you see. And we dont NEED to win the next game. Its meaningless. Ismael has ensured that he obliterated any chance of the play offs, he took over with us in them and after 4 games the chances were over, they definitely are after 5 games. We wont go down as we had enough points before he came in so there is nothing to play for. The atmosphere will likely be toxic, its free reign for people to show their displeasure now there is nothing to play for.

We never at any point looked like we had a chance of equalising. Same old story.

So I am guessing that you are still 100% behind Ismael and think he is still the right man for the job. He might want us to have more possession to create more chances, we arent creating more and even after 2 weeks on the training pitch we looked just as bad if not worse. Do you really think this set of players is technically capable of dominating the ball successfully and winning games doing it? And have you found any positives in Ismael's first 5 games to cling on to? The players dont seem to have a clue what they are doing. Yes, Cauley Woodrow starting and as the main striker was bizarre. Its not the first time hes picked a weird team. Its also certainly not the first time we have failed to get any points against struggling sides under him, in fact thats 4 times in a row. Unacceptable, indefensible, a crap manager who we are now stuck with. And also an arrogant tosser who cant be arsed to face fans who have paid hard earned money and wasted their Saturday travelling so far. Eustace won 45 points from 31 games, Lowe 6 from 3 games, Ismael 1 from 5. Hes not the main problem, Venkys are. But hes a poor manager picked in desperation after 2 talented managers decided understandably that they couldnt be arsed working in these conditions anymore. Im guessing in your head, Ismael is still the right man and we can still make the play offs.

We are 63 points worse off than he has predicted. Surprised he isnt more critical.

We havent played any specific style under this clown. Just slow, passive, tedious shite. Revert back to criticising previous managers though, I am guessing you arent concerned that we may have just employed a shit manager on a long term deal as you cant bare to see the reality in front of you.

If thats the result of Ismael having 2 weeks to work with the team then that says it all. The French Owen Coyle picking a weird team again and never did we look like scoring. Even if we had got a below par points tally from 4 struggling sides then we would still have an outside chance of the play offs. To get absolutely nothing is extraordinarily bad. Ive seen enough to see why all of the fans of his previous 2 clubs who sacked him hated him so much. The talk this week has been about deflecting the anger away from the team. Not sure they even deserve it. Passionless wasters.

His usually excellent passing has been poor but its his off the ball play and his tackling that is his big weakness. Tomasson mentioned that here. Such a talented player but still big areas to improve.

Its this willing and able to inject £20m a season in that I dont get. It makes out as if its done out of anything other than necessity to cover costs. They will have to "pump money in" each year going forward because like any Championship club we spend more than we receive. They had been intent solely on reducing losses even in the years before the court case. Selling Armstrong and not reinvesting anything was a similar example. I dont get why you make out as if they were chucking in money prior the court case as some sort of attempt to progress the club, it was merely to pay the bills which even then were kept as low as possible. The only difference post court case is that the primary objective of reducing losses has been actioned even more aggressively and it happened to coincide with Wharton being ripe for a sale.

They have never been useful. They have to offset losses like the majority of Championship owners but they have not been allowing us to improve the squad for a number of years, well before the court case. The only reason they didnt put in money in the last financial year was not because of the court case. It was because for them we had a fortunate one off sellable asset that meant that we actually kept a small profit. This financial year, they will have to put something in to offset the loss again. Would you be happy for them to stay if the court case ended and they reverted back to what you perceive them to have been like before it started in the summer of 2023?