I know you hate Pulis ? he joins Mick McCarthy and Kasey Palmer on chaddys list who wont be getting a christmas card this year! I dont like Pulis but its totally unfair to criticise him for not allowing Chapman out when Mowbray has done the exact same with Nuttall.

I hope and am sure that Mowbray isnt putting down a repeated conceding of goals late on as "flukes." I know Brereton needed to play but he should have played up front as I have explained in my above post. Hes made half of his appearances for us in the wrong position. Quelle surprise.

Was a definite free kick. Admittedly superb execution to take advantage of the gap so fair play there.

Surely by the same logic, Pulis somewhat rates him to block the move? If Pulis feels that he needs Chapman in any way then he is perfectly entitled to keep him, rather than gift him to a Championship rival to further his career. Pulis is a prick but I dont understand how you can hold a grudge about this. The examples that you gave of players that show Mowbray apart from Pulis are totally incomparable, in that they are players whose careers are near the end, weve probably financially benefited in the long run by paying them a lump sum now. With Travis and Nuttall we dont know exactly why they are still here but I used them as examples of players that for whatever reason have stayed at the club despite like Chapman at Boro being down the pecking order and unlikely to start in the League between now and the turn of the year. With Ward, I presumed you meant in the summer. Obviously we let him go in January as we didnt want him and someone else specifically did.

We do have a lack of height in the team, but the goals at Ipswich and Bristol Rovers were second phase after the initial ball had been defended, and the Villa goal was down to rash play by Reed, and a poorly organised wall and starting position from Raya.

The problem is, as you said we dont have natural wingers, Mowbray doesnt like them, so theres always an element of discomfort for any of Palmer, Brereton, Rothwell and Armstrong when played there, to varying degrees. The way that I worded the quote you replied to was incorrect so apologies, replace winger with wide-man/inside forward. The thing is, we know that Armstrong can get plenty of goals from wide and be a massive danger, and work in tandem with Dack and Graham whose places at the moment are set in stone. I appreciate that the standard was poor in League 1, but you could say the same about any of our players who impressed last season. He hasnt been at his best in either position this season but hes been a bit in and out. My main problem wasnt necessarily with Armstrong playing centrally, it was regarding Brereton. Point being that Armstrong proved last season that he can be effective wide. Forest fans in the main seemed to highlight that one of Breretons main downfalls was being played out of position which was a main reason for his performances dipping. I wanted him to start centrally because we spent a lot of money on him to be our new striker and sticking him in a role that didnt suit him at his previous club made little sense, baring in mind Armstrongs versatility. No, just poor decision making both from Nyambe to throw the ball right back, and mainly from Williams to get sent off. That was seemingly the trigger that indirectly led to a late goal. Chaddy has done a biopsy of all of the recent late goals but all goals can be picked at like that, its the time that worries me. Maybe the phrase "game management" isnt correct, and I dont profess to knowing how to fix the problem, but it is a worry if it continues. I am happy with the decent start to the season and the direction we are going in, hope that isnt lost amidst this individual criticism, but it would be foolish to dismiss a developing theme. I do think that the inexperience will be a major factor, and we do need to keep the ball better, something Mowbray mentioned last week, so I agree with you on that.

The main thing that is overlooked is that even if he came here, Mowbray doesnt rate him enough to be anything other than a sub. You are also ignoring the fact that Nuttall and Travis had loan moves blocked, the latter was seemingly very annoyed by that, and neither will hardly kick a ball at senior level, so your examples are flawed. Wards deal had expired, and the other 2 are players whose careers are coming to a close. We arent a charity case.

The reasons for the individual goals are inconsequential to the point I am making, its the time of the game that is the common denominator. Although last night we had 10 men for about 2 minutes. Please see the post of @roversfan2001 in the thread "why do we concede so many last minute goals" for a well researched point on how we are regularly susceptible to conceding late goals but dont score them. You may not see it as an issue and choose to sweep it under the carpet but others do. Why is our 6 million striker playing second fiddle out wide where he has never played effectively prior to joining the club? That said, the comments @Parsonblue are worrying in regards to him looking "tired all night." I know it was his role last night, and it may be his only chance of starting berth. But you have to accept that, like Brereton, that isnt his position, and he wont be 100% effective there.

That Boro team was very much a second string with fellow young wingers Tavernier and Wing ahead of him. They dont usually start with wingers at all so he is definitely there for the taking.

The key is in the word opinion. Neither of us have seen the game. You can give reasons for all the goals and why they went in individually but if you dont think that conceding late goals on a regular basis is of any concern then you are kidding yourself. I have seen the highlights but my comments are in the main general observations and thoughts that I already had. Brereton is a striker. Palmer is naturally a number 10 and should play there when Dack is out. Id like to see Armstrong wide playing like last season. Rodwell I feel should be allowed to play in midfield and im glad he did. That 2nd to last comment doesnt mean anything. As an isolated incident yeah but I dont think its being overly negative or critical to suggest that it is of worry that we have conceded quite a few goals near the end of games. At Stoke on Saturday there seemed an element of panic once they got back into the game. May be fitness issues but I would suggest that the main problem is a primarily mental or tactical one. We do have quite a young team especially in defensive areas. And obviously I dont know how to fix that sort of thing but we need to ensure we can see games out with regularity. He sees himself as a striker but I dont think you can dismiss his ability as a winger. Last season he played wide and was superb from that role, it suited him down to the ground. This season he has played central with mixed results at best. Brereton meanwhile is a striker who Forest fans seemed very insistent was not effective from a wide berth. I think not playing him in his natural position on his first start means that he cant really do himself justice. For me it makes no sense to shoehorn our 6m striker into an uncomfortable position on a rare occasion when our first choice striker is rested.

Neither of us know for sure, my point about game management was a general one (nearly blew a 3 nil lead on Saturday, blew a win v Villa and Ipswich in the last minute, conceded in the last minute after getting a red card from an attacking throw in) so I dont think you can deny that its a concern. Never said Rothwell wasnt good enough but you dont know either way for sure. Neither do I. Point was more about Brereton, Forest fans said hes shite as a winger so we should play him central or not at all. We paid 6m for a striker so I want him to play his natural position. If hes been brought in to play wide we should have bought a winger. Will you not be doing your usual pin the defeat onto Palmer?

Main positives are that we have plenty of spirit which we knew we had and its great to see. Also we have attacking players that can hurt teams. Brereton is not a winger and I hope isnt played there, him and Armstrong should have been in opposite positions, we didnt need a 6m striker to play wide. Did well to get a penalty following a poor touch but his reaction afterwards between the foul and the award of the penalty was embarassing. Raya seemed to make some good saves, one in particular was excellent. Lenihan again giving away a penalty, and Williams with a moment of pure idiocy. Game management is a massive, massive concern. All these late goals are not a good sign.

Agreed on Palmer. A number 10 on one wing and a 6m striker on the other whilst a player who excelled wide plays in the middle. Makes no sense. When Dack played wide early last season he also struggled.

Why play a 6m striker who was poor by all accounts out wide at his last club and Armstrong who was so effective wide last season for us in opposing positions. Rodwell in front of the back 4 makes sense.

Dont talk rubbish. I really rate Lenihan, hes never a midfielder but he doesnt play there so its irrelevant. Hes a good centre back although hes not very good on the ball. I also think that Bennett had a poor first half of last season out wide shown by a lack of goal contributions but was much better in the centre and at right back. And hes done much better wide this season with assists v Hull, Brentford and Stoke.

That would make far more sense as it at least has one central midfielder. Find it bizarre especially with Travis, Reed and Tomlinson on the bench.

Hope its not 3 at the back. Rodwell surely in midfield as theres no other central midfielders in what is a very strange team. Hope Brereton, Palmer, Armstrong, Rodwell and Rothwell take their chances. Glad to see them all start. Big risk playing Lenihan when on a booking.

To be fair he was very poor in midfield.

Mulgrew always plays it out and is far more comfortable on the ball than Williams. Lenihan isnt the best on the ball to be honest.

I presume it is with a view to rotating tonight. Hes had plenty of money to be fair

Whilst I get the desire to play our academy players, we cant have that attitude towards Palmer or it would render loaning him pointless. He will play a key role in the next 7 or 8 months for us, and as @Hasta suggests he needs game time to be ready in the league. He has already contributed 3 goals. There is no need to fasttrack Butterworth into the starting 11, we have plenty of young players ahead of him in attacking positions so his best bet maybe to do well consistently for the under 23s and be loaned out either in Jan or at the end of the season.

They were. Presumably because Afobe was going off.

Agreed. Mowbray only commented on the 77 minutes prior, I do hope and assume that was just a smokescreen and he is dealing with it behind closed doors as we need to sort it out fast.

Because I dont support them or have a strong interest in them but as I said there is less of a gap between rich and poor in the fourth tier. Burton and Burnley are examples which belittled your own point, little money in comparison to their Leagues so play football that isnt easy on the eye because they know that if they went toe to toe and tried to play expansive football they would struggle. 4-5m is far more than McCarthy ever had and comes from players signed for fairly cheap in McCarthys spell sold on for a profit. Your totally missing the main 2 points anyway. Firstly Hurst is not a manager that plays attractive football, look at Shrewsbury. So if your main bug bear with McCarthy is style then why appoint Hurst? Also, he let them 3 go you mention (you have definitely turned your nose up at at least 1 or 2 of them coming here over the summer by the way, apologies if mistaken) one of whom was forever injured and the other 2 who he only had for a season. He has spent lots yet why is a place 9 places lower than last season suddenly a good season? Basicaly you hold a personal grudge against McCarthy and you are covering the fact that you was wrong to deride him so much. The reason he went was simple. He was a victim of his own success. Supporters had delusions of grandeur that a squad full of frees could play exhillirating football whilst maintaining the excellent consistent results he kept achieving.

Its more the struggle to empathise with an attitude whereby you would prefer Rovers to lose. Surely when Tuesday comes around and if you read that we won your instinctive reaction would be one of happiness and not dissapointment that weve got another game to fit in down the line? Its like when Kean was manager and people bunged up with "ITK" information kept proclaiming that Kean was a game away from the sack. I still couldnt bring myself to cheer our opposition. Even if you saw the cup so much of a low priority that you used it as a vehicle to give mainly fringe and younger players a chance to push for a starting role in the League, surely winning cup ties is useful for that? Had we lost in the last round, which presumably you also wanted, we wouldnt have such a good opportunity to give Brereton, Rodwell, Rothwell, Palmer, Armstrong etc a chance to keep themselves competitively ticking over and push to start League games, or a chance for the likes of Travis, Nuttall and in the last round Grayson and Butterworth vital first team minutes to make them want a taste of more. Im not saying it should be anything other than second in the list of priorities. But the prize of winning is one more game, at max we will play is it 6 or 7 which baring in mind we will be using the whole squad will not derail our season, and thats on the basis that we went all the way. I also remember playing the big teams regularly but that doesnt mean that playing one, and most likely a weakened team would be an inconvenience. Beating them would still be very enjoyable. Also, winning games is a habit not to be sniffed at.