Kasey Palmer has liked a couple of tweets criticising him. Not sure thats necessarily a good trait, saw Chapman like someone make a light hearted comment about him picking up an injury as well the other day. Doesnt bother me but potentially shows a bit of immaturity, suppose they are young lads but still. @Bigdoggsteel he has but hes also already scored 3 goals for us to be fair to him. And hes not playing in his natural position. Feel like he has got the raw deal slightly from a generally inept performance today.

There are valid points amidst all the shouting and ranting, such as a lack of defensive depth that you mentioned that most would agree with. That said, I think the reason for the ridicule is the way you convey your anger and frustration, in disjointed paragraphs full of hyperbole and sarcasm. Surely you could be moreconstructive than to use phrases such as "shower of turd."

Think my opinion is in between yours and many of those who are arguing against you. I personally think that, something that I think @Tom summed up very well, is IF he is drinking on a regular basis, then it is a problem. We all arent professional athletes and hypothetically, if, and its a big if, he is out drinking too much and not looking after himself, it is totally differentv to us having a few drinks on a regular basis. Yes he is entitled to a private life (although plastering it on social media suggests the privacy aspect isnt of paramount importance!) but he does need to obviously look after himself far more than us with regular jobs. @chaddyrovers said that Mowbray will know where he is always which is a massive assumption to make. That said, there is a lot of assumption involved on your side too, and I think that you are very much stretching your point out by suggesting where Dack was could have impacted upon todays result, or that assuming that he hasnt been drinking, that spending time with friends will impact upon his injury is clutching at straws. Not sure the whole isolation of a generation of people by suggesting they are universally lazy and "dont know their arses from their elbows" is ever going to be conducive to healthy debate about the matter either.

Would agree in general, whether that will prove to be value for money will be seen over time, but theres no rush to shoehorn him in the starting 11. That said, Grahams performances lately have not really warranted being dropped, nor did Brereton did anything special when he came on to prop him ahead of Graham in the pecking order, not that he really had the time or the supply to do so. I would expect Brereton to become first choice at some point, a matter of if and not when, but his price tag shouldn't gain him a place automatically. If Brereton starts against Villa then I would imagine that Graham may be knocking on the managers door on the Monday morning.

You'd drop Graham for Brereton? Why? Views on Bennett today?

Graham looks tired after 1 minute but he continues to be effective. I think he could have played longer personally, and deserved to stay on over basically everyone else in an attacking sense. Golden rule from free kicks so close is that the keeper shouldnt be beaten at his side. If it goes over the wall and back down then fair enough. He was also beaten at his near post midweek, and has not cut out basic themes from his game, such as when he rushes out, he clears the ball back into play rather than into the stands, and he often parries shots straight back into the danger zone, as he did v Reading. He also often looks for the quick ball on the counter when he gets it, something which at times he is very good at, but he needs to learn WHEN to do it, at times he needs to keep it and slow things down. All of these are hallmarks of a keeper with excellent reflexes, who is young and raw, but has so many flaws that continue to cost us. I would hope that him and the goalkeeping coach can look at ironing these things out as they are basic. Palmer is a number 10 though, so surely amidst your criticism, you will acknowledge that he deserves a pop in his best position, his natural position, where he played so well for Huddersfield in their promotions season, before writing him off? In general, do you agree that the fact that all of Graham, Brereton, Armstrong, Dack, Palmer and Rothwell want to play centrally is a concern, in terms of who to play wide? And that Bennett was again below par from a wide position, offering nothing at all going forward.

Feel like hes slightly re-creating history, by suggesting that the primary reason for the lack of discipline was us desperately chasing the game with lots of attackers. That blatantly isnt true. For both the first 2 goals, when we wasnt chasing the game, the defence and general shape was equally disjointed, and the team was jittery throughout really. Even when chasing it, we had a back 4 full of experience, and 2 holding midfielders, as well as Rothwell who has been putting in a shift.

After half time we were awful. Ive already but some much over the top reaction on social media by some Rovers fans - you are missing the point. You've just admitted we were awful! People are just saying the same, judging an individual performance and result. They aren't saying we are doing really badly in general, that we need to sack the manager, anything like that. People are angry and disappointed after a very, very poor performance and a thrashing. Just like after the Brentford game, people were 100% complimentary. Youre bringing in the bigger picture when in judging an individual match, it is almost irrelevant. We need to play to Brereton Strengths and Graham doesn't seem able to play 90 mins regular and he looked shattered second half. His legs are going quick - We didnt play to either of their strengths, but Graham looked fine to me, we had just conceded but he didnt look like he had to come off so soon. I feel like you are focusing on Palmer too much. He wasnt great but he was out of position, and there were so many other bad performances, particularly Smallwood, Bennett, Armstrong, Lenihan and for his mistakes, Raya. Rothwell continued in his showing for the ball yet lacking end product performance. I guess Armstrong play off Graham so he can run off Graham flick ons and headers - this didnt work at all. It worked more last season when Graham came deep and Armstrong ran diagonally in from the sides. When Armstrong was so good from wide last season, and considering Palmer is a natural number 10 just like Dack, it made no sense to switch their positions.

I thought Rothwell was similar to Palmer, wanting the ball, looking to beat people, but end product sorely lacking. I understand Palmer being played wide when Dack is fit but when he isn't, Palmer is a natural number 10, a position which gives you far less defensive responsibility, and far more influence going forward. Considering Armstrongs success from wide last year, I found both positions very strange. I do worry about the balance of our attacking players, for all the talent we have. Very few if any would choose to play wide over centrally. Graham, Brereton and Armstrong would want to play as 9's ideally, Dack and Palmer as 10s and Rothwell in central midfield. To be fair, AdamRochinas posts are very unique in that they arent constructive criticism, just wild sentences of anger. The Dack stuff is a seperate issue, but is obviously dependant on factors we dont know about. I dont really agree with the first line. Just as if we were in a poor run/start/position, and got a good win (see Bradford away last year) people would be entitled to compliment the performance and result without having to overly concentrate on the fact that we are still below overall expectations. We are in the match thread of a game when we were comprehensively beaten, and sorely lacking. Its not going over the top to state that, and state what in particular caused that. If the thread was judge our first 6 games, I'd say we are doing ok, no more, no less, but we are in the Bristol City away thread.

Another thing about Palmers performance that I would say, it made no sense to play him wide. He's a natural number 10, and in Dack's absence he should have played there. Felt that Mowbray got it wrong playing Armstrong off the striker, we saw what he can do wide last season.

Not at all chaddy. People are bound to be very critical of such a terrible performance, in isolation, just as they were very complimentary about previous performances, for example the way we dug out a win last Saturday. You are in the match thread of a game we got hammered in, not sure what you expect. The fight and never say die attitude on show v Reading and seemingly v Brentford seemed to run out at half time.

Disjointed first half with 2 or 3 chances we should have scored. Horrendous and embarrassing second half in which we lost our shape and our heads completely. Raya having a typical day at the office. At fault for the first, a fairly well hit free kick but at his side, and badly at fault for the third. Also a typical rush of blood in the first half where he needs to learn to kick it out rather than back into play. Made a few very impressive saves though, but one or two he parried straight back into danger, something he did which cost us v Reading and something else he needs to cut out of his game if he is to become the keeper so many seem to think he will. Defensively, we were so disjointed, have to suggest its a collective effort there as to why we toiled so badly. Both full backs were really shaky at times, and Lenihan has very little composure on the ball. Totally disagree that the middle 2 are midfielders, they both didnt have their best games but they were often left isolated. Mowbrays faith in Smallwood is at risk of becoming blind faith, hopefully hes down the pecking order after another poor show. Evans has a lot more credit in the bank but he was quite ponderous at times, back to the Evans we have seen at times before. Elliott Bennett was as poor as anyone I would suggest, so, so poor going forward, and defensively I don't think he did the job hes become so well thought of for. Palmer and Armstrong were off the ball today, both talented and important, Armstrong will have more scope due to the lack of a quick winger being brought in, leaving him as the only really quick player we have. Both missed sitters and their decision making was poor. Graham as per usual was very good at holding it up etc and should have been left on longer but the supply up to attack was thoughtless. Once Graham went off, we lacked a focal point, as you would expect. Not sure on the use of subs either. Graham was doing well and Brereton should perhaps have been put alongside him. He didnt really do much, a clever effort at the end, some really poor movement much earlier when he looked like he didnt understand the offside rule. Obviously not enough to judge on properly but Graham holds the shirt for now. Rothwell was really positive but I'm surprised that Palmer and himself have been rated so differently by people on here. Rothwell was very similar in that he was positive and bright but his end product was universally poor. Take the excellent run near the end when he should have slipped someone in on goal and he instead chose to tamely shoot wide from distance. Nuttall is a pointless sub, never impacted the game and for me Reed for Smallwood was the change to make. Think this makes for an average, middle of the road start, nothing more, from a favourable run of fixtures. We either look well drilled or all over the shop, as we saw also v Reading and for half of the game v Millwall. I do worry that our lack of defensive reinforcements will catch up with us at some point, and also that Raya will cost us a few times as he has done in the past. Fitness permitting, I'd probably line up like this against Aston Villa: Raya Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Williams Reed Evans Armstrong Dack Rothwell Graham Subs: Leutwiler, Bell, Palmer, Conway, Brereton, Bennett, Davenport

Very shaky and unstructured at times. Missing Dacks composure going forward. Both Palmer and Armstrong should have scored. Typical Raya performance. 2 good saves. Then a rush of blood and kicking it straight back into a Bristol player. And then you cannot be beaten on that side from a free kick like that. Our best player has been the ref to be fair, if this was the other way wed be furious! At least twice hes got the ball back for us and 50/50s all going our way. Hope that doesnt change with the crowd against him.

To be fair, I dont think Stuart was our best player at any point, apologies to him if I am wrong. That is the aspect that people are failing to understand, professional footballers arent just like your average joe who works in an office, they need to be in top shape most of the year. Don't think hes "let anyone down" last night but its a concern if its done with regularity, with him being an athlete. Something which I am not sure if it is.

I think much of the assumption is that Dack is binge drinking with regularity, based on social media. If its occasional, then its not a big deal, if it is a regular, recurring theme then it is a concern and a potential problem because hes an athlete ans its not good for him to be doing that, and thats before bringing in the potential of trouble that he has seen in the past. I also dont get why you claimed to know for sure that Mowbray knew where he was.

Millwall had every right to be incensed yesterday, young player or not. The tackle was an absolute disgrace and could have broken his leg.

Happy with that team in the absence of our best player. I would have played Reed over Smallwood who must be on his last chance. I'm glad to see Armstrong back with his pace, and I think Mowbray has made the right call choosing Palmer over Rothwell, albeit its a very harsh decision on Rothwell. Palmer is more of a goal threat, and more exciting in my opinion, Rothwell would have been a safer choice. Hope to see Palmer in a 10 position and Armstrong out wide.

Palmers 2 goals mean he has to play. Surely Palmer as the 10, ie the position in which allows most attacking freedom, would allow Bennett and Rothwell to provide more discipline to stop them from.getting 2 on 1 v our full backs, and allow us to set up with 2 banks of 4 when required.

For me, Dack and Armstrong are along with Palmer, our 3 main players who can give us that bit of X factor behind the striker. Rothwell has really impressed me so far but hes not quite at the same level as the above 3. But hes also impressed me with his work rate. What do you make of the tactical change I suggested? Bennett made sense as a 10 to give us that third body last week against a team reknown for their possession football. Tomorrow, Bristol City may only have 2 in there and Palmer is undoubtedly better going forward than Bennett, with a bigger goal threat, and will provide better support as to not isolate Graham. Bennett and Rothwell can be either side of the central 2 giving us more discipline against their midfield 4, in a more rigid way than usual in the absence of our best attacking player and our main pacy outlet. If Dack and/or Armstrong are fit, it will be interesting to see who makes way. Mowbray wont move Bennett back so id suggest that Rothwell would be most at risk of a harsh dropping to the subs bench.

Assuming he is physically fit, do you not think at least cameos in the under 23s is the best way to build up said match fitness?

It would be a blow if Dack and Armstrong arent fit, but especially with Dack, if they dont start id be surprised if they made the bench. Assuming neither make it, your front 4 picks itself really, although I would personally go with Palmer off Graham, where he is best, and where he is least likely to become a defensive liability. If Bristol City play what is essentially 4-4-2, Palmer could be the spare man and is far better in an attacking sense than Bennett. Whereas Bennett's defensive work could be used to counter one of their wide men, probably Eliasson who has started the season well. I would also like to see Reed start ahead of Smallwood who has had a below par start to the season.

Would people think considering the free agent market for reinforcements, baring in mind that Mowbray apparently tried to get bodies in yesterday and didnt manage it, at least to get players in for a week over the international break to have a look, to be something Mowbray could consider? Nedum Onouha could be someone who could, fitness permitting, provide experienced cover for Mulgrew in Lenihan. James Collins, Gareth McAuley and Russell Martin are also all free agents, although there would be question marks about whether the first would be realistic, and whether the latter 2 would be physically capable anymore to provide an upgrade on Downing remains to be seen. Out wide, Bakary Sako would be a very good addition, he apparently went back to Palace who were considering re-signing him if they could get rid of a couple of players according to Hodgson, one of whom seemed to be Puncheon who ended up staying at the club. Whether he would be prepared to take a step down again remains to be seen.

Thanks @Way down West and good luck for the season, after tomorrow of course. I had a feeling he wasnt entirely and universally popular. Reid was never prolific was he prior to last season, I thought Johnson was doing a poor job when you had Abraham scoring so many goals yet obviously in general you was near the bottom of the tab, the same year we obviously went down. I remember being impressed watching Bristol City in the cup against the Manchester teams though so i presumed hed turned it around somewhat. Looking at your signings, I thought Adelakun would be a really good signing, quick, direct winger, whereas I have never really rated Weimann so im surprised hes doing so well, suppose at Villa and Derby he was never one of the main men so maybe he will continue to thrive in a central role. Selling Bryan and Flint was always going to be a blow but I thought Da Silva, Hunt, Webster and Kalas were all pretty good Championship signings too. Bit surprised that you didnt sign a more high profile keeper, that Maenpaa hasnt played much recently so I suppose hes a bit of an unknown quantity. I don't think either Bristol City or Rovers will be particularly fancied outside of our own clubs really but I suspect both can be comfortably mid table with a bit of luck, looking up rather than down. Theres a bunch of teams, Reading, Birmingham, Rotherham, Ipswich and Hull who on paper seem far inferior to both of our teams. Definitely agree on League 1, luckily we only had one season and the success was a lovely change so Rovers fans will have a fonder opinion of it I imagine but the quality was terrible.

Certainly much better than the one we were in last year.

Why do you predict that we could lose by a few, what have we done to suggest that a comfortable defeat/thrashing could be on the cards soon? In the last game we played, v one of the early front runners and highly fancied teams, missing Dack, Armstrong, Graham as only a sub and the likes of Brereton and Reed also yet to sign, we won 1 nil. We've yet to lose and are a point ahead of our opponents. A loss will come at some point but theres no reason to suspect a thrashing is on the cards. Going into the international break, if we win tomorrow weve had a terrific start, draw and its a decent/pretty good start, lose and its an average one. @Way down West what do you make of Johnson as a manager? And what do you make of your summer business? Think you may be stretching the truth describing this as a "great league!"