Spot on jim positive action taken without any other issues.

What you have Gav is speculation and no evidence about contract offers and supposed salary offers. I have not done any about face my views remain and I want change. I am allowed to have opinion on other matters and from what I have learned or been told whether it be from the horses mouth or from mine and others research and investigation I also reserve right to judge on whether anything changes. Ultimately the proof will be in the pudding and if change isn’t made then there is a lot more answers to be given. In relation to contract offers all of those offered deals would attract significant wages and aside if clubs with parachute money I doubt they would be offered more! Rovers pay good money and stick to their structure. The problem with 2 of them is that they believe they are premiership players and that clubs will be in for them. I can also tell you that if Rotherll went to rangers his salary there would not be on a par with what he is offered at Ewood

A serious answer my friend I have absolutely not a bloody clue! I am sure this is the same answer thousands of times over and over 🤬

Who is David? At some point it has to break either by then changing their ways in owning the club or leaving it’s as simple as that. If their plan is put into action and done correctly then it might work but I suspect if they retain the current manager the team will regress further which will hurt after a relatively bright start. Let’s just hope any new appointments bring value to the club

Blackburn rovers is not a self sufficient club due to major mismanagement of funds over the years. Huge wages against turnover is the main contributor to this. The academy is the lifeblood of the club if we unearth a gem every 2/3 years and sell t a huge profit then that is his business and one Rovers will aspire to. I am sure the current ambition of better value for cash spent is sensible because that is what it seems to me to be happening. People cry cutbacks where there is no evidence for this. I don’t believe the owners have suddenly become over caring I do think they have changed fact somewhat. I don’t know what the end result will look like, will it succeed or fail ? Who knows ? Other mid table clubs are running losses just not as big as ours because on paper we have better players. As I said I want to see what results the so called changes bring

If you know a bit a bit about business then take a look at their profits per quarter and you will see £20m appears to be very small in relation to a multi billion dollar operation.

I wish I did !

I think talk of an extension for Mowbray is wide of the mark, I bloody well hope so.

Of course its not normal but these are not normal owners! Wealthy businessmen now how to make money and often do so by losing it from other sources. I don't profess to know about business but it is a pretty simple model to use I am told. I suppose the kudos attached to owning such a famous brand in Rovers adds to their Indian profile especially in their sporting and social circles.

I don't disagree with your view. They are responsible for it and must shoulder the blame. 10000 fans from Blackpool didn't make it totally harmonious, it was the 3200 fans from Ewood that embraced it and made it. If the police had allowed 4500 rovers fans in to the ground then we wouldn't have really heard them even when they scored ! They haven't got rid of him and his family just yet, there are further financial battles ahead, they still have their thieving fingers in the pot ao to say !

No I am not. What I would hope for is for wholesale changes across the Football operation. A change of manager. A proper board in place. A full restructuring of the commercial aspect of the club with a proper ambition to generate more funds into the club. A radical change in ticket pricing, incentives and ambition based for season ticket holders. Next generation of supporters to be brought in and to get them hooked into BRFC. A standard match day ticket price across three stands leaving only the main stand as a slightly dearer ticket. Visiting fans should be charged a standard ticket price for example £23 is ample. The club would get more fans through the away turnstiles and more money into the club. A full and proper re-engagement with the clubs fan base including better communication across the variety of networks, better day to day news bulletins from the club, better liaison with local media and a return to the friendly atmosphere we once had. The club needs an ambition message, ONE ROVERS TOGETHER. The club should not be about the owners it should be about the fans and the players who represent our shirt.

Spot on but then again we had a manager that knew his team and knew how to get the best out of the players he had. We also had a united CROWD and fan base, no division and one of the best away followings around. Thats the difference!

Like what exactly? At worst they write the losses off against the whole VH business empire and the last time I looked there was about 25 different companies aligned. Looking at the share prices earlier on, they are slightly down but still operating in profit margins that would suggest a £20m loss is pennies tot hem in the grand scale of things.

Crimpshine, lets be brutally honest, IF and I repeat IF there was a credible buyer looking to purchase BRFC, it would be out there for everyone to see. It would not take a sleuth to find out that information, it wouldnt even take a Nicko character to find it, it would be splashed all over for 2 reasons. The potential buyer would want it leaked to gauge support from the fan base and of course it would probably force our owners to come out and offer explanations be it to quell or flame further speculation. So, I havent been able to find any credible link as have many others to a likely buyer other than Mssrs Currie and co a good few years back. I doubt it if even those two would have an interest these days because of the lamentable manner in which we are currently being run. You suggest there is no investment - well look at the academy first, their pitches are high quality and have been prioritised. That has to be number 1 if the club are ever to succeed and progress further academy prospects and you only have to look at the talent in the u18's to realise just how good some of them look to be. Pay structure at the club is stable, there is a clear effort to bring down the extortionate wages we have apparently seen paid to moderately good players, that again has to be the right way forward. For the immediate future, the club must/has to reengage with the fan base, its imperative to try and break this deadlock and get more fans into the ground. It is incumbent to get a pricing policy for tickets in place right across the spectrum. This also has to be a priority for the club. The club must seek to bring in the next generation of fans as well as fans from our BAME background. Ewood has to become the friendly club it once was, a community club and a club that is proud of its heritage. Likewise the fans have to also buy into this so the club moves forward as one. Communication is virtually non existent unless you go to a fans forum. The club has to realise fans forums represent themselves they DO NOT represent the whole Rovers fan base so they have to break that cycle and reach out to ALL fans. Relying on twitter isnt a good thing, getting the message out there has to be done properly. Rovers need to ensure the match day experience is memorable. Fanzone is the way to generate a good start to the matchday experience along with the Blues Bar, why they invoke a membership and entry fee is beyond me, its wrong it doesnt generate an income to cover costs and should be available to all fans. The area outside the Blackburn End is big enough to have a couple of bars, large tv gantry and a dj as well as a good number of fans. Its pretty simple to put together if you ask me. So many things have gone into a rabid decline and need changing and I hope that they succeed with their ambition and current plans.

I have not once advocated gratitude, I have simply asked a question - where does the £20m come from to allow us to continue to operate when: Tv revenue is £8m at best. Sponsorship money is negligible. The missing fan base refuse to get behind the club because of the apathy and utterly unbelievable manner in which they have wrecked the solid structure the club once had. Crowd/Ticket income is paltry to what it has been and what could be. There still appears to be some gross mismanagement in parts of the football operation side of the business as well as in the commercial side. There is not a doubt better owners would do better because I am certain as blue is blue they would not make the same mistakes as Venkys have. I am also sure that any potential buyer worth their salt would put in place a board that would work across all of the football operation. It is all good and well wanting them out, I am in that camp but looking at it realistically and with a wider perspective without them the club would not survive in its current guise. So to ask the question again, just where is the £20m or so going to come from? If anyone thinks that if Venkys just upped and left we would see 20k or more fans piling through the gates they are in cloud cuckoo land, 60% of the missing 15k will not come back just because they leave, I doubt we would even see a massive increase in the season ticket numbers (unless of course there is a return to an ambition based pricing policy) and I doubt we would even see a 10-15% increase in general attendances.

Still some are missing a valid and important point. Where does the £20m a year come from in addition to servicing a debt to the current owners if they decided to leave?

It’s not a doomsday or any other prediction Gav it’s my opinion and view. Until we see a new owner come forward then we are stuck with what we have and as of yet there is no one coming forwards with either a view to buying or significantly investing to purchase a majority shareholding in the club

In recent times Bury are an example whilst Rushden Diamonds are another. Venkys own the debt so if they were to liquidate the club, they would sell everything off, they have the power to just switch off and shut it down entirely if they so desired. Who in their right mind would buy this debt from them? a low fan base, middle income at best with limited prospects unless a radical overhaul was made meaning expenditure. Some mention Wigan as an example, they sold their gold and still have considerable debts to manage. Another club with very low crowds appear to being successful on the pitch which is great, its what happens should they get promoted because expenditure is greater and there isnt a lot of increase in crowds coming through the door. Rovers need a complete background overhaul, that is pretty clearly obvious. The manager needs changing as he is stale, boring and is now a liability to any progress being made off the park.

I have not had any epiphany at all, I have my views and I stick to them, it doesn't matter who or what I have done, or what may be or what's gone by. I am a solid Rovers fan with genuine and utter concerns about my club. Until I bear witness to the changes muted then I will always err on the side of caution. That will never alter my current perspective. The debt is to Venkys not to BRFC, they are the 99.9% owners all debt is owned by them. Administration is not the way forward in my view, neither is a points deduction or a falling away down the league ladder. If you think that this would galvanise the fan base you are mistaken in my opinion. We are currently top 10 in the championship and can barely muster 11k home fans per game. Just how do some think we could muster more down the league and just where in the world would we be playing? Do you think the venkys would just hand over Ewood Park? Its a sellable asset owned by them like Brockhall and everything else attached to Rovers. People constantly mute (or some do ) that there are interested buyers, I don't accept this. If there was the bids would be in there. In todays current climate of pandemic and where businesses are losing money hand over foot, if venkys were approached I am pretty sure that by being savvy to lure investment they would snap someone's hand off because there would be a joint holder or holders of the debt to the business. If anyone had a plan to progress BRFC then they would be on that phone every day banging the message to the owners, the stock truth of the matter is there is no one harping about it, not even Nixon has that claim and everyone knows that if he knew it would have been blurted out on his twitter feed or through the media. Another point you made Gav is about the owners funding the club and lumping more debt - this debt is theirs. There is no doubt through their companies that a loss maker like Rovers is a drop in the ocean for them across their port folio. Without their current funding across the Ewood operation we wouldn't operate properly, we couldn't because we don't have a financial structure of crowds, match day and sponsorship income and everything else that runs alongside finance. Rovers situation is totally different to that of Bolton, Bury and every other club mentioned, we don't have loads of creditors, the players wages are secure and there is no hostility in the background with board members and potential consortiums claiming this that and the other. I do not want to see Rovers fold down the league as some suggest, its the wrong way and we may never regain that foothold. The real way forward to successfully build a base structure and progress. For me that is the immediate removal of Mowbray and a total restructure of the board, putting in place a competent football knowledgeable CEO alongside a board that has vision, creativity and that can think outside of the box, putting its support at the very heart of the club, rebuilding trust and getting the fans to buy into that strategy. It is clear to me, as I bore witness at Blackpool - that some fans have very little understanding of what happens behind the scenes but at the same time, it is evident that the message is clear, we have one aim and that is the love for our club and for it to progress. Sinking down the leagues is not progression or rebuilding, its football suicide and there is a very clear alternative to the suggestions you have made.

Rhetorical question - if Venkys suddenly pulled the finance plug how does anyone think Rovers would carry on, for example from January? The club would be in serious dire straits and would not be able to operate. The wages would not get paid, maintenance and operations football wise would cease meaning fixtures could not be finished. Players could walk out added to an immediate points penalty, administration and a certain relegation. There may never be a second season as there would be no funding, not even the most savvy of administrators would be able to save the club from another huge points deficit, a second relegation and then likely punishment from the Football League and a certain expulsion. That is the worst case scenario. We keep seeing examples of teams coming back, Southampton - had seriously rich buyers who then sold on. Derby - Mel Morris lost £200m of his own money just to take them back into administration! Blackpool - are still in recovery and have a solid base to work from, that’s about it as far as I am aware, they still do t own their own ground and the nasty aroma of the Oystons still linger around the club. Portsmouth - again don’t own Fratton Park and are still hamstrung by finances despite a larger fan base than most clubs outside of the PL. Bournemouth - little club, little ground and seriously heavy in debt. Got out of admin because of football people, had a real journey but nearly lost their standing in football. Bury - dead and buried! There are massive clubs out there like Sunderland, Ipswich, QPR, Cardiff, Reading, Boro, Birmingham, Fulham, Coventry, Sheff Utd, Forest and Swansea that are all standing on the precipice of financial damage that will ruin them even when some are backed by money men and some with parachute payments still to be banked! Rovers are currently safe and are still bankrolled by Venkys for the time being. Hate them or like them, that’s the cold harsh reality. Its a picture some seem not to be able to fully comprehend and we appear to be slightly better off than a lot of others. Even our nearest and dearest down in bumley face financial peril because of the manner their owners have bought the club. Be careful what you wish for is what I say. (And before it is questioned I am I. The Venkys out club!).

I think totally the opposite why sell the clubs silverware to drop like a stone ? There would be no Ewood park no training facility no academy and no real prospect of anything other in a positive sense of the word. Not to mention the sometimes fickle Ewood crowd would disappear

That’s because he is simply an arrogant manager devoid of interest in his own clubs supporters

This club would never recover if we dropped as far as you suggest. Everything would be sold off and the club would simply die and wither like Bury FC.

Watford positive action again swift and makes a point ! No results or poor results mean the sack🤬

It’s the right time to get rid