Yorke And The Fans

[Hughesy]

I gace my statement yesterday. Told i may have to go to court if yorke presses charges, which he has. So maybe myself and stuwilky will have to go. Not sure yet.

The court case is today at 10am. The camera's for bbc are already waiting outside.

Glad to see the lads gave themselves up. Time to face up to there actions now and take the punishment.

[dave birch]

Hughesy, good luck, just tell the truth as you saw and heard it.

As for the two young lads, let them say their piece, it might be a different story to DY's, (if they can remember )

I wonder if any of the well paid lawyers will ask them if they were Rovers supporters!

[Hughesy]

Will do. Maybe il ask for Yorkes signature if we have to go to a proper court case ha ha.

Hopefully the lad will say it was racism and he was saying something about a chicken or askin if yorke wanted KFC

[salothsar]

There has been many mentions in this thread regarding the hysterical reaction of the media. I agree completely, it has been ridiculoulsy over the top. I firmly believe that if the incedent had happened one week earlier there would have been little or no outcry.

However, this message board is indicative of why this is the case. Like it or not it is news and people are interested. If not why are there so many pages here devoted to something that most say is being done to death.

More than a little ironic I think. And I know by posting this, and I don't post often, I am also contributing and prolonging the furore.

I also think the the stupid pricks should be given the maximum legal punishment and banned for life.

[ABBEY]

She added, “Det Inspector Simon Giles and Det Sgt Gary Dunnagan, from Blackburn CID, met with Mr Yorke and other members of the

club earlier today at Birmingham City’s training ground where they interviewed a number of people over several hours.”

UNBELIEVABLE WITH A CAPITAL F!!!!!

IF THERE ARE POLICE READING THIS ....WHY....CAN YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO BIRMINGHAM 1/2/3 DAYS AFTER THE INCIDENT TO INTERVIEW THE VICTIM OF A FEW STICKS AND STONES,YET IT TOOK NEARLY TWO WEEKS TO INTERVIEW MY SISTER WHO WAS ASSULTED IN A HOSPITAL CAR PARK.

SEEMS TO ME IN THE WORDS OF AN AC/DC SONG MONEY TALKS.

It would appear to me that if your dark skinned,rich and famous , the crime is more serious than that of an ordinary working class gal with no predgiduos.

[ABBEY]

Ummm, no actually what he suggesting you pfa muppet, is that yorke shouda warmed up in from of the b'ham fans, rather than in front of 7,000 Rovers fans in the bbe who hate him for the way he milked our club. I mean you wouldnt expect say, Alan smith to go warm up in front of the leeds fans if manure and them played in the cup or summit.

To clear this up, it's not up to substitutes where they warm up, because law 3 states

all substitutes are subject to the authority and jurisdiction of the referee, whether called upon to play or not

That when combined with this

The fourth official assists with any administrative duties before, during and after the match, as required by the referee.  He is responsible for assisting with substitution procedures during the match.

means that players warming up will ask permission from the 4th official and will be told where they can warm up.

9 times out of 10 they will be instructed (as Lee pointed out in an earlier post) to warm up in the half of the field where the linesman is officiating on the side of the pitch where the dugouts are.

Presumably because the laws governing the technical area are fairly strict as well

Only one person at a time is authorised to convey tactical instructions and he must return to his position after giving these instructions.

The coach and other officials must remain within the confines of the technical area except in special circumstances, for example, a physiotherapist or doctor entering the field of play, with the referee's permission, to assess an injured player

so the subs are sent to warm up where the lino can make sure they're not conveying messages to players or coaching from the sidelines.

tris not patronising anyone ,but ffs a player warming up usually runs the line a few times ,stretches and goes back to the dug out....not kneel down in front of home fans for twenty mins.

[LDRover]

How can two people "chant"?

Didn't Wham sing "Chant No1"? Or was it Spandau Ballet?

And Pat and Mick did 'Let's all chant'

[Scotty]

It doesn't matter where Yorke warmed up, how long he warmed up for, or what kind of warm up he did. He should not be subjected to racist abuse.

Hopefully the culprits have now been caught and will be punished, if guilty, accordingly and we can all move on.

[CAPT KAYOS]

I also think the the stupid pricks should be given the maximum legal punishment and banned for life.

For doing what exactly salostar

Nothing yet has been proved about there being anything remotely associated with racism except for lazy barsteward chicken-george porke - and the only thing thing I have seen is them giving grief to lazy arse as what another 20,000 other Rovers fans had been giving him except they where closer to him.

There where Police and Stewards around the incident and within earshot and nothing has come from either source with regard to there being any racial motivated offence - the Police even threw one of the lads out so they couldn't have thought anything of it.

As usual people are jumping to conclusions from a minor incident totally blown out of all proportion by a over- hyped media and a prick called Steve Bruce.

Even Brum fans who where at the match and have seen the incident since on the TV have said they have seen nothing of racial quantity and if the sight of somebosy shaking there hands like a demented chicken on speed then god help the rest of the Football fans in this country - in fact they

they have agreed with what the majority of Rovers fans in that he is a good for nothing lazy barsteward and a useless dad.

Let the lads arrested have there say, personally I feel our club has also been a bit limp wristed on this in terms of a spokeperson, but I presume they have had to toe the line on the matter as per the police considering recent events.

Edited November 24, 2004 by CAPT KAYOS

[ABBEY]

It doesn't matter where Yorke warmed up, how long he warmed up for, or what kind of warm up he did. He should not be subjected to racist abuse.

Hopefully the culprits have now been caught and will be punished, if guilty, accordingly and we can all move on.

where did I say he deserved racist abuse?

[LDRover]

As a matter of interest, does anyone know what the probable punishment would be should they be found guilty?

I can't believe it would constitute a custodial sentence...would it?

[Scotty]

It doesn't matter where Yorke warmed up, how long he warmed up for, or what kind of warm up he did.  He should not be subjected to racist abuse.

Hopefully the culprits have now been caught and will be punished, if guilty, accordingly and we can all move on.

where did I say he deserved racist abuse?

You didn't. But you did seem to be implying that Yorke deserved what he got because of where he warmed up and the amount of time he took doing it.

[salothsar]

Capt K

It is fair of you to accuse me of jumping to conclusions. I wasn't there and also haven't seen much of the coverage as I don't live in England. However, you also seem to have jumped to the conclusion that they are innocent.

"There where Police and Stewards around the incident and within earshot and nothing has come from either source with regard to there being any racial motivated offence - the Police even threw one of the lads out so they couldn't have thought anything of it."

So the police would have made a public statement if they had heard anything racist ? and you are privy to interviews with police and stewards ?

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that after going to a police station they were arrested and charged. Hardly an event that would suggest no evidence.

[Morph]

It is fair of you to accuse me of jumping to conclusions. I wasn't there and also haven't seen much of the coverage as I don't live in England. However, you also seem to have jumped to the conclusion that they are innocent.

The point being that under English law there is a presumption of innocence until the state prove otherwise, at least in theory. The two in question have submitted themselves to the police, now it is for the courts to decide. Should they be found guilty I don't think there will be many tears shed for these two numpties, and I would hope (and fully expect) them to receive lifetime bans from Ewood, but until a verdict is returned one way or the other it's a bit early to be heating the tar and plucking the chickens, so to speak.

[Hughesy]

As a matter of interest, does anyone know what the probable punishment would be should they be found guilty?

I can't believe it would constitute a custodial sentence...would it?

Would it not be a life time ban from the club, a 5 year ban from all other european grounds and then maybe a suspended sentance?

[broadsword]

What makes you say that Hughesy?

[ABBEY]

It doesn't matter where Yorke warmed up, how long he warmed up for, or what kind of warm up he did.  He should not be subjected to racist abuse.

Hopefully the culprits have now been caught and will be punished, if guilty, accordingly and we can all move on.

where did I say he deserved racist abuse?

You didn't. But you did seem to be implying that Yorke deserved what he got because of where he warmed up and the amount of time he took doing it.

racist abuse ...no.

abuse ...yes...at least 4000 in the blackburn end thought so .

alls Im saying all this could have avoided had he done a normal warm up instead of kneeling down in front of the blackburn end for twenty mins,what exactlty was he warming up for twenty mins because ive been doing stretching and warming up for nigh on 30 years and have never come acrooss an exercise that involves kneeling for 20 minutes.maybe he was meditating.

[Ste B]

As a matter of interest, does anyone know what the probable punishment would be should they be found guilty?

I can't believe it would constitute a custodial sentence...would it?

Would it not be a life time ban from the club, a 5 year ban from all other european grounds and then maybe a suspended sentance?

I would have thought on top of that would be a fine, and maybe at a push some community service.

The magistrate is hardly likely to put them in shackles and send them to Australia.

[broadsword]

He might do if Hughesy was in the dock!

"You have been convicted of teh grave offence of taking casual clothing seriously ..."

[ABBEY]

As a matter of interest, does anyone know what the probable punishment would be should they be found guilty?

I can't believe it would constitute a custodial sentence...would it?

Would it not be a life time ban from the club, a 5 year ban from all other european grounds and then maybe a suspended sentance?

I would have thought on top of that would be a fine, and maybe at a push some community service.

The magistrate is hardly likely to put them in shackles and send them to Australia.

I DONT KNOW STEB,what did dave birchs family do?

[CAPT KAYOS]

Capt K

It is fair of you to accuse me of jumping to conclusions. I wasn't there and also haven't seen much of the coverage as I don't live in England. However, you also seem to have jumped to the conclusion that they are innocent.

"There where Police and Stewards around the incident and within earshot and nothing has come from either source with regard to there being any racial motivated offence - the Police even threw one of the lads out so they couldn't have thought anything of it."

So the police would have made a public statement if they had heard anything racist ? and you are privy to interviews with police and stewards ?

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that after going to a police station they were arrested and charged. Hardly an event that would suggest no evidence.

Fair do's salostar and I respect what you are saying but as Morph says 'innocent till proven guilty' n all that.

My point was it all alleged and only by Porke lazy arse and Steve ' the prick' Bruce who was nowhere near the incident - 'ALLEGED' racial abuse is what they have been arrested for which suggests to me that they don't have the evidence - the matter re the Police and Stewards is this -it is an offence to commit anything of racial intent within a football stadium (at least in England) and there is enough against racism campaigns going on in this country as there has been for years. The Police and stewards are well aware of this matter so if there was anything of major concern they would have been arrested at the game - if there is any eveidence of racialism then throw the book at them but at the moment IMO there isn't and as I have said above - anybody who can turn the pictures from SKY into one is making something that just isn't there.

As a child has said ' CHICK CHICK CHICK CHICK CHICKEN LAY A LITTLE EGG FOR ME!!'

Edited November 24, 2004 by CAPT KAYOS

[salothsar]

It is fair of you to accuse me of jumping to conclusions. I wasn't there and also haven't seen much of the coverage as I don't live in England. However, you also seem to have jumped to the conclusion that they are innocent.

The point being that under English law there is a presumption of innocence until the state prove otherwise, at least in theory. The two in question have submitted themselves to the police, now it is for the courts to decide. Should they be found guilty I don't think there will be many tears shed for these two numpties, and I would hope (and fully expect) them to receive lifetime bans from Ewood, but until a verdict is returned one way or the other it's a bit early to be heating the tar and plucking the chickens, so to speak.

Innocent until proven guilty of course. However, I also presume the police wouldn't have charged them for nothing.

Then there is the small matter of the massive outcry from all quarters. Call me a cynic but something has to be seen to be done and throwing the book at them (rightly or wrongly) will send a clear message to any others who were thinking of doing something similar to what they are accused of.

I'll probably regret saying this but if they are given the maximum punishment I'm not that bothered about exactly what they have or haven't done. Lawyers will twist and spin the facts so no-one really knows anyway. From what I've read on here from people who had the misfortune of meeting him the Prague scraf wearing prat needs waking up a bit and I have no sympathy. I'm pretty sure somewhere in his miserable existence he has caused unjustified harm or hurt to others. Now its his turn. I hope.

[SouthAussieRover]

As a matter of interest, does anyone know what the probable punishment would be should they be found guilty?

I can't believe it would constitute a custodial sentence...would it?

Would it not be a life time ban from the club, a 5 year ban from all other european grounds and then maybe a suspended sentance?

I would have thought on top of that would be a fine, and maybe at a push some community service.

The magistrate is hardly likely to put them in shackles and send them to Australia.

I DONT KNOW STEB,what did dave birchs family do?

I reckon they escaped the rascist slum formerly known as East Lancashire

[CAPT KAYOS]

throwing the book at them (rightly or wrongly) will send a clear message to any others who were thinking of doing something similar to what they are accused of.

I'll probably regret saying this but if they are given the maximum punishment I'm not that bothered about exactly what they have or haven't done.

Well Salostar I am bothered if they are convicted wrongly and consider it very worrying for other fans if there is no evidence to suggest racial intent.

There could be incriminating circumstance for any fan going to future matches and I would hate to see what people interpret me jumping up and down waving my hands about as ( especially with my blue and white armbands on

Oh look I'm typing in black - will this be the next issue as this is what the whole issue appears to have turned into IMO.

Bit of a joke really - where was all this hullaballo when Tugay got far more abuse at Leeds last season and there is only a small incident of a Turkish fan being stabbed to death at the weekend.

[MCMC1875]

To avoid further trouble on Boxing Day, could we all refer to Newcastle as the team in the 'contrasting stripes'.