[Archived] Homegrown Player Plans Revealed

[krislu]

Good news for the likes of Blackburn Rovers?

Squad places reserved

The 'A' list that teams submit for UEFA club competitions will continue to be limited to 25 players, and from season 2006/07, at least two places on this list will be reserved for players trained by the club's own football academy and a further two places for players trained by other clubs from within the same association of the said club. The 'B' list will also continue to exist - involving an unlimited number of Under-21 players who have been at the club for two seasons.

Target for 2008/09

In the following two seasons, one additional place for a club-trained and one additional place for an association-trained player will be reserved on the 'A' list, so that by the 2008/09 season, each club will have in its 25-man squad four club-trained and four association-trained players.

[AlanK]

This could be good news with our academy facilities

[Ste B]

Only problem being that we have to qualify for European Competition.

This doesnt apply to the premier league. It may in the future, but dont expect it to.

[tchocky]

Sounds good in theory. Lets hope it works as well in practice. I can see a slight advantage to big clubs/renowned academies, but it is still a good move.

[Alan75]

The other problem is how many academy players make the first team and secondly when they do how many then stay at the club.

[AlanK]

But they only leave because they don`t make the 1st team due to other nationalities filling the spots.

Now, if they did play however, it would weaken the team but if all teams were in the same boat it may make things interesting

[philipl]

Arsenal will be incredibly well placed if they register their first team as an Academy and continue their remarkable ability of picking up prodigiously talented teenagers from around the world for the odd million or two.

[Alan75]

Ah but, if they are any good, other clubs benifit from our home grown talent.

eg

Duff Dunn Beattie, Tiny

[American]

Arsenal is one of 5 clubs still in the Champs League that wouldn't have enough players to qualify.

The interesting part about that is the 25 squad limit that is being proposed. In college football and basketball, they cut the number of scholarships each school can have. At that point, the powerhouses were no longer able to stockpile, and you've had more mid-major teams (think town clubs), be able to sign players they normally wouldn't have had a chance at getting, and they can now compete with the major colleges.

[jim mk2]

Uefa have bottled their chance to level the playing field.

Their original proposal was for a minimum of seven homegrown players in each 18-strong match squad, which the big clubs opposed of course.

This latest plan will not affect them at all. Effectively, it limits English clubs to 17 foreigners (including Scottish, Welsh and Irish players), hardly a severe restriction because any non-English players who have trained in this country for at least three years between the ages of 15 and 21 will count as homegrown.

A match day squad of 18 would therefore need only include one home-reared player, assuming that all the foreigners were fit and available for selection.

So it's as you were for the moneyed classes to continue to dominate.

Edited February 3, 2005 by jim mk2

[jim mk2]

And talking of the rich getting richer.........

Manchester United tonight received planning permission to complete the expansion of Old Trafford when the local council agreed to proposals to fill in the north west and north east corners of the ground, raising capacity to 76,000.

The additional 7,900 seats could net United £50million per season. Work will commence before the end of this season with the new seats set to be installed before the 2006-07 season.

[youandwhosearmy]

heard with the current rules in place rangers would not have been eligable, or maybe it was in 2006 when the number doubles

they are even going to consider applying it to domestic competitions

im unsure about it all though

[rover6]

Clubs ready to resist new rule...

I would love to see this new rule take effect. Whilst there is no doubt there are foreign players that are lighting up the Premiership, at the same time there are those mediocre individuals who managers sign because they don't want to take the risk of fielding a youngster who may be prone to mistakes as he settles into the team (McEveley!).

Rangers recently signed that Dutch goalkeeper, Watereus (or something) because McLeish was too scared to give their young Scottish goalie a chance. A classic case of a mediocre foreigner holding back the progress of a homegrown player.

[ABBEY]

YOU READING THE INTERNET AGAIN???MAN I LOVE HOW YOU HAVE RADIO AND TV OPINIONS..................

TRY GOING TO A GAME YOU MAY HAVE A REAL VIEW KNOB

[rover6]

A 'real view' like your last post - oh how I yearn to reach your height of football enlightenment.

[LA Rover]

I think the most interesting bit about that story, is that of the 5 CL teams who would not have qualified under the proposed new rule, AJAX was one of them!!! Surely the apocalypse is upon us.

What's next, one of our strikers scoring on Saturday?

[Neil Weaver]

And talking of the rich getting richer.........

The additional 7,900 seats could net United £50million per season.

Errrr, try 5m quid Jim (7900 seats, say 25 games, say 25 quid per game). Meanwhile, back at the topic.............

[youandwhosearmy]

haha unlucky rangers...

LINK

[Ossyrob]

Ah but, if they are any good, other clubs benifit from our home grown talent.

eg

Duff Dunn Beattie, Tiny

Tiny lol.Top star eh

[Siriwan]

This is a great rule IMO. It will help to level the league as the top clubs won't be able to sign as many foreigners as they want and we'll be ready to return to European competitions without making any changes on the roster. Our wonderful academy has to show it's benefits...

Look at the extreme examples of treating the Academy in football, as it appears in the Spanish version of the article:

Belgian club Beveren has a 21-men squad, of which 16 come from Ivory Coast

Athletic de Bilbao has fielded 27 players this season, of which 21 came from the Academy (Do you imagine a 21-from-27 squad players from Lancashire?).

[Duff's Minder]

i think this just incentivises the big clubs to spend more on acadamies which means that any decent 14yr old from Kazakhstan to East Lancashire ends up at Arsenal or United.

Meanwhile the players that small clubs nurture have a tougher time moving up the league because they don't meet the quota. Would we have bought Stead last year if these rules were in place or would we have stuck with Gally?

[Flopsy]

YOU READING THE INTERNET AGAIN???MAN I LOVE HOW YOU HAVE RADIO AND TV OPINIONS..................

TRY GOING TO A GAME YOU MAY HAVE A REAL VIEW KNOB

behave Abbey

[rover6]

No point starting a new thread, I thought, so here would be a good place to discuss the footy player nationality-based protectionist proposals that are being bandied about by plenty, and will become even more of a talking point after England's latest failure. (A discussion has already started on "nicko's thread").

I for one, you will not be surprised to hear, am in favour of making it mandatory to have academy-developed players in the squad. Now, I believe that they don't have to be British - they simply have to have been at the club for a certain length of time and be considered a 'product' of the academy. Whilst many clubs are packing their junior sides with foreigners - I do not see this as the problem. English talent, generally, is inferior and competition for places will be good for them.

However, at the moment it is too easy for managers to bow to their entrenched insecurity and opt for experience over youth. If managers won't have the guts to takes risks and field youngsters - then the system has to force them into it. Classic example, which I will repeat for effect. Had Shabani Nonda, Francis Jeffers and Jason Roberts not all got injured contemporaneously, Matt Derbyshire would not have got his chance when he did - and would, imo, not be playing for the England U21s now.

However, if the academy/youth quota rule was in place, Derbyshire would've had to be in the squad and that would've forced out, theoretically, one of the others and would have not placed his prospects completely on the chance of a glut of injuries.

The current problems may still persist to an extent because managers will not be obligated to play these youngsters. However, it's a start. Whilst out of sight is out of mind, having to have certain guys on the bench/squad will keep them in the reckoning and knocking on the door. Manager insecurity is currently stymieing the meritocracy that should exist in Prem squads and ensure that the cream rises to the top.

Edited November 22, 2007 by rover6

[LDRover]

stymieing , contemporaneously , meritocracy.

Is it just me???

[Lee]

Now, I believe that they don't have to be British - they simply have to have been at the club for a certain length of time and be considered a 'product' of the academy.

Not exactly the case, under the strange UEFA rules Bentley would be considered a product of the Academy because he came through Arsenal's. It isn't all cut and dried to be honest.

Edited November 22, 2007 by Lee