[Archived] Premiership Final Table Prediction

[Finch]

Last I heard (Socceram last week as I remember) it was £450k a place.

Dunno if anyone has mentioned this, but, I've been looking at our previous points totals since we won the table, and our biggest premership points finish was the year after we won - 1995-1996 - when we got 61.

We're already on 60 so we're set to finish with our highest prem total since the championship winning season

2005/2006 6th 60

2004/2005 15th 42

2003/2004 15th 44

2002/2003 6th 60

2001/2002 10th 46

2000/2001 Div 1

1999/2000 Div 1

1998/1999 19th 35

1997/1998 6th 58

1996/1997 13th 42

1995/1996 7th 61

1994/1995 1st 89

[pleasure]

Last I heard (Socceram last week as I remember) it was £450k a place.

Dunno if anyone has mentioned this, but, I've been looking at our previous points totals since we won the table, and our biggest premership points finish was the year after we won - 1995-1996 - when we got 61.

We're already on 60 so we're set to finish with our highest prem total since the championship winning season

2005/2006 6th 60

2004/2005 15th 42

2003/2004 15th 44

2002/2003 6th 60

2001/2002 10th 46

2000/2001 Div 1

1999/2000 Div 1

1998/1999 19th 35

1997/1998 6th 58

1996/1997 13th 42

1995/1996 7th 61

1994/1995 1st 89

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good work MC.

lets hope we make it to 63 (MH's target at begining of the season).

the stats go to show- it doesnt get much better than this!

[Finch]

good work MC.

lets hope we make it to 63 (MH's target at begining of the season).

the stats go to show- it doesnt get much better than this!

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im just a sad statto!

[bluebruce]

Fairly sure I heard 450k a place too, though don't recall the source. The board will know we have a little extra coming in through the UEFA Cup too, so Hughes should get a fairly nice little kitty, especially with deadwood like Amo and co out of the club.

[ihtd]

Its definitely 550k a place bluebruce!

I remember when we drew with Brum Brum The Mighty Brum on the last day of the season 2 years ago, dropped two places and it cost the club £1 100 000 for Stern Johns equaliser.

[frosty]

Rovers to finish 7th. Chelsea to win league, wigan, west ham and portsmouth to go down

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Well, I got one of them right

[sulli9]

Rovers take on Manchester City, already assured of a sixth placed finish and £7.3 million in merit payments thats from Lawro's prediction cheers

[thenodrog]

Well, I got one of them right  

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and but for the 'Hand of Ped' you might well have had 2 right.

[roversmum]

and but for the 'Hand of Ped' you might well have had 2 right. 

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*sigh*

[tchocky]

...points totals since we won the table,

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Hehehe.

Interesting stats though. I think we should look to consolidate our position in the league next season, only just beating our points total from this season.

[bluebruce]

Its definitely 550k a place bluebruce!

I remember when we drew with Brum Brum The Mighty Brum on the last day of the season 2 years ago, dropped two places and it cost the club £1 100 000 for Stern Johns equaliser.

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That's 2 years ago though...not saying you're wrong, but still, could've changed.

[only2garners]

That's 2 years ago though...not saying you're wrong, but still, could've changed.

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According to today's Independent each place in the Premiership is worth £484,000, so finishing 6th would bring in £7.26m, so for once Lawro gets something right.

[Neil Weaver]

According to today's Independent each place in the Premiership is worth £484,000, so finishing 6th would bring in £7.26m, so for once Lawro gets something right.

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And the Beeb tend to agree, from Rovers v City preview........

Rovers take on Manchester City, already assured of a sixth placed finish and £7.3 million in merit payments. Victory would also give them their highest points total since the Premiership was played over 38 matches, and since they won the title in a 42-game season in 1994/95.

[D.W.]

The top six from my pre-season predictions:

1. Chelsea

2. Man Utd

3. Liverpool

4. Arsenal

5. Tottenham

6. Blackburn

Whadd'ya think of me now?

Edited May 7, 2006 by D.W.

[frosty]

The top six from my pre-season predictions:

Whadd'ya think of me now? 

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It doesnt say when you made your prediction.

[D.W.]

It doesnt say when you made your prediction.

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Right you are. It's the eighth post down, forwarded on August 8th 2005. I was reluctant to supply a source because the rest of my predictions table was rubbish and I wanted to keep it a secret and live off my top-six predicting legend forever, but now I've been exposed as a big fat predicting phoney for the whole forum to see.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of your predicting results. I'm interested to see if any of you can top ol' 'Top Six' here.

(Is there anyway to change screen names? I want to be called Top Six )

[Neil Weaver]

Let’s see how the Preston hairdresser’s predictions panned out. He’s given us all a laugh during the course of the season and I think you’ll agree it all adds up to something truly comical.

So just to explain……

First up is the real end of season table -

                   P    GD    pts
Chelsea           38    50    91 
Man Utd           38    38    83 
Liverpool         38    32    82 
Arsenal           38    37    67 
Tottenham         38    15    65 
Blackburn         38     9    63 
Newcastle         38     5    58 
Bolton            38     8    56 
West Ham          38    -3    55 
Wigan             38    -7    51 
Everton           38   -15    50 
Fulham            38   -10    48
Charlton          38   -14    47
Middlesbrough     38   -10    45
Man City          38    -5    43
Aston Villa       38   -13    42
Portsmouth        38   -25    38
Birmingham        38   -22    34
West Brom         38   -27    30
Sunderland        38   -43    15

Second, now bear in mind that Lawrenson didn’t make any predictions till September. Most teams had played 4 games before then. Taking those first games out of the picture (and so there is a fair comparison), here’s what the table would look like without those games -

                   P    GD    pts
Chelsea           34    42    79 
Man Utd           34    33    74 
Liverpool         34    31    78 
Arsenal           34    33    61 
Tottenham         34    13    58 
Blackburn         34    11    59 
Newcastle         34    11    57 
Bolton            34    10    49 
West Ham          34    -2    51 
Wigan             34    -6    48 
Everton           34   -13    47 
Fulham            34    -7    44 
Charlton          34   -20    38 
Middlesbrough     34    -8    41 
Man City          34    -8    33  
Aston Villa       34   -13    37 
Portsmouth        34   -21    37 
Birmingham        34   -19    30 
West Brom         34   -24    27 
Sunderland        34   -38    15

And so to the table according to Lawrenson -

                   P    GD    pts
Chelsea          c34    54    88 
Arsenal          c34    47    84 
Man Utd          c34    40    79 
Liverpool        c34    32    73 
Everton          c34    12    60 
Bolton W         c34     6    56 
Newcastle        c34     3    54 
Tottenham        c34     9    50 
Birmingham       c34    -8    44 
Portsmouth       c34   -13    40 
Charlton         c34   -11    39 
Fulham           c34   -11    38 
Man City         c34   -15    36
Blackburn        c34   -11    34
Aston V          c34   -21    33
Wigan A          c34   -17    30
WBA              c34   -23    26
West Ham         c34   -17    25
Middlesboro      c34   -27    25
Sunderland       c34   -33    22

and finally a table to show the difference between the real world and the 34 games Lawrenson predicted (positive numbers indicate reality was better than Lawrenson and vice versa) –

                   P    GD    pts
West Ham          c34   15    26 
Blackburn         c34   22    25 
Wigan A           c34   11    18 
Middlesbrough     c34   19    16 
Tottenham         c34    4     8 
Fulham            c34    4     6 
Liverpool         c34   -1     5 
Aston V           c34    8     4 
Newcastle         c34    8     3 
WBA               c34   -1     1 
Charlton          c34    9    -1 
Man City          c34    7    -3 
Portsmouth        c34   -8    -3
Man Utd           c34   -7    -5
Bolton W          c34    4    -7
Sunderland        c34   -5    -7
Chelsea           c34  -12    -9
Everton           c34  -25   -13
Birmingham        c34  -11   -14
Arsenal           c34  -14   -23

So West Ham and us did much better than the hairdresser predicted whilst Birmingham and especially Arsenal did much worse. Or an alternative view is that he had a real downer on West Ham and us whilst being far too positive about Arsenal and to a lesser extent Brum.

Well that’s the non-emotional view anyway. Fire away with other views.

[Philly Rover ®]

First of all, great work on that Neil. It makes for some pretty interesting reading, that's for sure!

The results are in once again for our predictions, too (sorry it took me a few days). As last year, I want to start by looking at some of the, ahem, erroneous things we predicted at the start of the season. No offense meant by this, boys and girls, but let's check out how truly foolish we were (at least in some predictions)...

15. Birmingham - true wishful thinking would see them 18th but they are far too good for that. --philipl

I fancy Pompey to do well next season, I think they could be this seasons Bolton. Mandaric has shown real ambition with the signings they've made this season, I made have a bet on them to get into the top 6 if the odds are good enough. --LeChuck

18. Wigan: Will start of slowly but go on a late charge, rather like Crystal Palace. Chimbonda and Pollitt are not exactly inspired signings however and Wigan go down. Expect Roberts/Ellington to score 15 goals between them. --rog of the rovers

5. Aston Villa: This year's surprise package. O'Leary is a good manager, and he's made some solid additions this offseason. --Yours Truly

It really is a funny old game, I guess... although I have to say that this year's predictions were much closer to the actual than last year. A number of people predicted Rovers in sixth, and a few even had the top six correct in order. Obviously we're just getting better at this as we go along.

Point of reference: last year's results

And as for this year's results... our Wizard of Table Predicting © (alias Scotty) was at his old tricks again this year...

I've heard that he has a room with all the stats of all the Premier League clubs covering each wall, every July he locks himself away in this room and goes into some sort of trance like state, he doesn't sleep, he just stares at the squads, analysing in minute detail the pros and cons of each player (age, previous injuries / hair cuts), manager and team - (a bit like the goalkeeping player manager in Dream Team - in fact exactly like him - but even weirder) he even looks at their horoscopes as well, nothing but nothing, is left to chance.

At the end of July he then puts all the team names in a bag and pulls them out one at a time - first team out wins the league.

As I said - no chance - the man's an absolute genius.

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Too right, bob... too right.

1. Scotty (36 points)

2. roversmum (39 points)

3. laughatthedingles (41 points)

4. brfc ben (42 points)

4. roverich (42 points)

4. sumps (42 points)

7. D.W. (43 points)

8. brennanboy (44 points)

8. skiporovers (44 points)

10. herbergeehh (45 points)

11. benhben (47 points)

11. krislu (47 points)

13. AussieinUK (48 points)

13. Rovers 4 life (48 points)

15. Teemu (49 points)

16. Philly Rover ® (50 points)

16. Rovermatt (50 points)

18. nellybc (51 points)

19. SouthAussieRover (52 points)

20. American (53 points)

20. americanrover (53 points)

20. Baz (53 points)

20. Tooting Rover (53 points)

24. rog of the rovers (54 points)

25. ally (55 points)

25. Sydney Rovers (55 points)

27. ffberryb77 (56 points)

27. tcj jones (56 points)

27. Threepenny Bit Foot (56 points)

30. hanks (57 points)

30. modes98 (57 points)

30. PABBY (57 points)

30. rebelzero (57 points)

34. kevinyip (58 points)

34. Texan Rover (58 points)

34. The Dart (58 points)

37. Gareth (59 points)

37. KimberlyBRFC (59 points)

37. Tango (59 points)

37. The Doctor (59 points)

41. bob fleming (61 points)

42. neekoy (62 points)

42. robbojohnno (62 points)

42. Ronin (62 points)

45. Eddie (63 points)

45. LeChuck (63 points)

45. MyTZeus (63 points)

48. Cookiemonster (64 points)

49. andy82 (66 points)

49. Blue blood (66 points)

51. bazza (67 points)

51. mattjansen (67 points)

53. Rover4ever (70 points)

53. rover6 (70 points)

55. philipl (72 points) <-- (phil, your original “stab in the dark” would have gotten you 66 points!)

As a sidenote, no one in this year's crew was as genius as me last year--i.e. no one correctly predicted all three relegated sides.

Anyway, that's that... let the slagging of Scotty begin, because obviously he cheats somehow!

Edited May 10, 2006 by Philly Rover ®

[rog of the rovers]

Nice work Philly Rover.

Chimbonda hardly inspiring! Ouch

GOod job Hughesy is better at fin players than I am!

[joey_big_nose]

Good work Philly and Neill!

Well done Scotty!

Bad luck Phillipl, the old crystal ball not working old china? Looking forward to more of your balanced predictions for the future of Rovers and football in it's entireity...

[roversmum]

At the end of July he then puts all the team names in a bag and pulls them out one at a time - first team out wins the league.

I thought it was such a good idea that I tried it

[trueblue]

I thought it was such a good idea that I tried it

 

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Yes... but all your bits of paper had 'Blackburn' on them !!!!

[Scotty]

Cheers Philly for all your hard work. I'd love to make out that I've got some sort of system, but I'm afraid it's all pot luck.

If I win it next year do I get to keep the trophy?

[tcj_jones]

Well I'm happy with a respectable 27th place. Cheers for that Philly, I seem to remember you doing this last season and me coming around the same place. That's consistency, that is.

[Neil Weaver]

A nomination for a journalist's award......

I can't see it on this thread, but last July someone posted a link to an article in the Manchester Eveving News - "Mark's shock troops" by Paul Hince. Here's the first paragraph -

IT'S not like me to make wild predictions but I'm going to chance it today. In fact, I'm not going to make one prediction, but two. Prediction One. Blackburn Rovers will finish in the top six in the Premiership next season. Prediction Two. By doing so Rovers will become the most unpopular team in this country since Leeds United were trampling opponents into submission 30 years ago.

Wonder if he put money on it? Anyway, his second part of the above is a bit over the top but I suspect we were top of the bad boys league.