[Archived] Football Manager 2007

[BuckyRover]

They allow you to sign players who have no work permit, because feeder clubs in Europe can be used to get them experience and hopefully, in the end, a work permit

[AndyH16]

Yeah, I think it's the same as Mark Gonzalez who Liverpool actually signed last seaon.

[Eddie]

Have they fixed it so that they can't arrange endless future fees?

[Cocker]

They allow you to sign players who have no work permit, because feeder clubs in Europe can be used to get them experience and hopefully, in the end, a work permit

Yeah, I have just been through the Sigames forum (of which there are going to be 100's of bug fixes by the sounds of things)

It turns out if was my fault and it would have come up and said that Mokoena couldnt get a work permit but we could still sign him but send him out on loan till he got one.

Just to click happy with my new game I guess

Think I will just play through finding all the little nice bits until they release the new patch until I start my real game

Edited October 23, 2006 by Cocker

[G Somerset Rover]

I hope the new patch does come out soon. It's indeed a quality game but like people are saying-certain bugs are really annoying and take the gloss off a fine game. Just a quick question, I play footie man on my laptop-which has no internet connection...so basically what could I do to get the patch on my laptop when it does come out without installing internet software?

[Cocker]

I hope the new patch does come out soon. It's indeed a quality game but like people are saying-certain bugs are really annoying and take the gloss off a fine game. Just a quick question, I play footie man on my laptop-which has no internet connection...so basically what could I do to get the patch on my laptop when it does come out without installing internet software?

You get to a machine that has a connection and download the file and save it to a cd. Then you just drop it into your footman folder and double click the icon - it will then install the patch for you (you will really need to start a new game for it to work)

[G Somerset Rover]

Cheers Cocker, I'm pretty useless with Comps obviously. I think that due to the demand on the si games forums that the patch should be out sooner rather than later.

[Cocker]

Cheers Cocker, I'm pretty useless with Comps obviously. I think that due to the demand on the si games forums that the patch should be out sooner rather than later.

They kind of use their forum for feedback so once they have all the bugs in then they will make a patch.

[ihateburnley]

You'd have thought that a major games developer (after many years of the same problems) would have increased the priority placed on testing and evaluating the games???

I feel sorry for the customers out there who have a very limited knowledge of computers, or indeed those with no access to the internet. You wouldn't buy a packet of salt and vinegar crisps if you knew that you would have to wait a month for the salt to arrive.

[BuckyRover]

You'd have thought that a major games developer (after many years of the same problems) would have increased the priority placed on testing and evaluating the games???

I feel sorry for the customers out there who have a very limited knowledge of computers, or indeed those with no access to the internet. You wouldn't buy a packet of salt and vinegar crisps if you knew that you would have to wait a month for the salt to arrive.

A company tries to recreate the entire football management experience with all the players and staff in the world (almost), and people complain when it needs to be updated to fix minor glitches.

Do you know how complicated and complex that game is, everytime it loads up it's different?

It could be tested for years and you would not find all the bugs. Only a release can do this. And I still bet there are bugs in the game that will never be found by anybody.

Some people are never happy.

[Billy Castell]

I assume later copies will be produced with these patches built in, or the bugs sorted out. Would that sort of thing happen? Or will SI produce the exactly the same game, and expect the customer to download the patches themselves?

[BuckyRover]

They don't expect the customer to do anything. You can do what you like.

The game is perfectly playable without any patches.

Im loving it at the moment.

And also ihb if you are using a packet of crisps analogy I would say to you, your reaction, when you buy a packet of crisps and it says on the packet something along the lines of "Great New Recipe" or "New Flavour". You should be asking why they have been selling a poorer quality flavour previously.

Why did they ever release the first pack, if in the future they could develop better flavours.

[Shevchenko]

I assume later copies will be produced with these patches built in, or the bugs sorted out. Would that sort of thing happen? Or will SI produce the exactly the same game, and expect the customer to download the patches themselves?

No, you will have to patch it.

Patches are a common feature for PC games and should be applied when released, whatever game it is.

I agree with BuckyRover though, there is nothing wrong with the game as it is now. It's stable and I have not seen any obvious bug or issues. The match engine is fine. Sure, it may need balancing as far as injuries are concerned but this is a minor problem at the moment.

Compared to earlier versions of FM, this one is very good straight out of the box.

[Billy Castell]

Right ho. Always wondered about that sort of thing with games that come out every year. Could people just use the database editor and make everyone unlikely to get injuries? I ask because not everyone has the internet (I obviously do now), and downloading the required patches could be a bit of an effort.

Wasn't CM4 so shocking with its bugs that they brought out CM03/04?

[Cocker]

Right ho. Always wondered about that sort of thing with games that come out every year. Could people just use the database editor and make everyone unlikely to get injuries? I ask because not everyone has the internet (I obviously do now), and downloading the required patches could be a bit of an effort.

Wasn't CM4 so shocking with its bugs that they brought out CM03/04?

The thing is mate that its not really just a couple of tweeks in the editor. For example, here is one of the patches from last years one and what it did:-

+ Fixed problem with portugeause league and foreigner rule, counting any non-portugeuse players as being foreign, instead of non-EU.

+ Fixed random unregistering of players in leagues which restrict re-registering of players to certain times of the year (Portugal/Spain/Mexico etc)

+ Fixed potential injury news item crash (trying to display injury league table for a non-existent competition).

+ Fixed a crash at the end of the season in Belgium when running with top division only.

+ Added extra sanity checks for manager reputation, to help prevent quick escalation of reputation.

Football Manager 2006 v6.0.1 Original

General

+ Tuning of young player physical progression

+ Spanish regenerated players and virtual players do not get given common names as much.

+ Goalkeeping coaches now do not have high ratings for other coaching types.

+ Loan players who have a "cannot play in cup matches" clause, can play in competitions which their main team are not entered for.

+ Arsenal now use their red and white home top from the 2006 season onwards.

+ Slovenian wages tuned.

+ Mental attributes and happiness have more effect on training levels

+ Ensured team talk slight concerns get cleared down for loan players who have been loaned from non_selected leagues.

+ Toned down severe post-match player morale changes, this ensures players take at least a couple of good matches to go from poor/very poor morale to very good/superb morale and vice versa

+ Ensured human managers don't get criticised for not praising thier own players when in fact they have left team-talks to their assistant managers.

+ Stopped "grey team managers" being given negative attributes and therefore sabotaging their own teams causing some very big defeats.

+ Teams in the same division should not have the potential for a giant-killing news story even if one is semi-pro and one is pro.

+ Prevented board/fans/former club favourite/current player congratulations news items from appearing after a team has qualified for the Uefa Cup via the Intertoto Cup

+ Adjusted the increase / decrease of human manager visible attributes.

+ Reduced inflation of price clubs are willing to pay for a player based on domestic average rating.

+ Ensured assistant coach/manager can't give feedback on himself.

+ Some tweaks to coach and team reports.

+ Monaco virtual players now have French nationality instead of having Monaco set as their nation.

+ Fixed stadium expansion bug where team would sometimes not move back to their old stadium once it was finished.

+ Fixed problem where some players would start the first season with stats from the previous year

+ Fixed second nationalities for regens - previously weren't getting set properly.

+ Fixed problem with caretakers manager's hanging around for ages without being offered the job or a replacement being found

+ Fixed differing time periods for injury between profile and physio report

+ Fixed players reaction to manager mind-games not showing up on client machines when playing network game.

+ Fixed receiving news story stating Liverpool fifth times when should be sixth times champions.

+ Fixed cases of manager being hired from within the club having the wrong 'time in charge' stat

+ Fixed players on loan at a club who are signing for them at a later date (e.g. Laurent Robert) getting wrong player_bio about them.

+ Fixed a bug where you can fine a player who is on loan to you and he will get upset with the club that owns the player.

Interface

+ Injury league table not filled in for domestic leagues that had finished.

+ Squad screen filters now filter WB L/DM © players correctly.

+ You now have to pick a goalkeeper in quick tactics like you do in detailed tactics.

+ Added "Help" to the Mac menu bar to follow standard behaviour on the platform.

+ Help for "offer to clubs" now shows the correct information (instead of the "transfer offer " page).

+ Pressing the escape key now closes the help dialog.

+ Training section "attributes" list could display slightly different values than the player profile.

+ Improved goal net graphics.

+ 3rd placed Royal League teams displayed the 3rd placed team order instead of the proper group they were in.

+ Used "Far" as short text for both "attack far post" and "stand on far post".

+ Squad filters for teams works for b-teams if user is browsing the game without having added a human player.

+ "Release comment" section disappeared when you clicked on another section of a player (before you had confirmed the comment).

+ You were able to change some tactical settings from the full time team talks.

+ If you used quick flicks to go to next team while on your own tactics section you might end up seeing their instructions.

+ Referees now show a 'Based' city (if city is known) instead of showing an unknown city of birth on their profile.

+ Clicking 'View Draw' might not take you to the results of the draw if you viewed a different section of the same competition.

+ Minimum fee release clause was not visible while making a transfer offer for players in countries where this is mandatory (Spain).

+ Substituting a player at half time would initially leave his overall team talk at "None" until you it again.

+ Sometimes players were duplicated in part-exchange offers in the "Transfer listed" menu on the "Add" button.

+ Can now give team talks to players who were substituted.

+ Added more printing functionality to panels like Match Report, Match Stats, Home

+ Player instructions "swap player" (outfield) and "distribute to" (goalkeeper) did not remember settings if set outside a match.

+ In-match tactic panel updates the tactic title on the right panel properly.

+ If you were in control of both a nation and a club, using the quick flicks did not go anywhere.

+ If you were controlling a nation and a club, the context of the national FA confidence was the club and not the nation.

+ Corrected "Upcoming Fixtures" to "Fixtures & Results" on the manager home section.

+ In rare cases the player profile would display "-" for form even when the player had valid form.

+ Player histories did not show season year properly for clubs where season overlaps the new year (2004-05 format).

+ Go On Holiday dialog could have the "reject all offers as well as another item selected (they're mutually exclusive).

+ Go On Holiday dialog "Return from holiday after:" N days edit box layout fixed.

+ Inputting extended characters using AltGr (or Alt+Control) did not work.

+ Pasting a single character from the clipboard to an edit box did not work (multiple characters did).

+ Continue game timeout does not get used when a manager is making a team talk after the match.

+ Reset requested scroll position when loading new HTML screen.

+ Fixed wrong team being used in news item stating reasons for transfer delay being refused.

+ Fixed exchange players showing up on news item but not on transfer offer screen

+ Fixed home page snapshot of K-League (displayed opening stage intead of combined league).

+ Fixed Belgian lower divisions snapshot (displayed opening stage and not combined league).

+ Fixed possible crash browsing through teams staff list using the Quick Flicks.

+ Fixed potential crash on European World Cup qualifiers second placed teams table if clicking on team position to see progress.

+ Fixed some duplicate news items.

+ Being able to deselect the 'Index' panel in the tutorial by reclicking on the 'Index' button.

+ Fixed every second seperator line in tree view items being slightly longer than the others

Competitions

+ Scottish league cup ties are now seeded properly.

+ Fixed some issues with the CONCACAF Champions League when MLS is not a selected league.

+ Mexican teams now do not register too many foreign players.

+ Implemented English Conference changes for 2006/07 season.

+ Mexican First Division groups are now correct for 2005.

+ Prize money removed from Serbia and Montenegro Cup.

+ Manager snapshot panel now shows full stage name in the competitions panel. E.g. North Semi Final instead of Semi Final

+ All-Ireland Cup now stores past years correctly.

+ Teams from 2006 African World Cup qualifiers do not qualify to the 2008 African Nations Cup any more.

+ Some English FA Cup prize money amounts fixed.

+ Hong Kong AFC Playoff now gets scheduled once all of the domestic competitions have finished.

+ Ramat-Hasharon now deducted 2 points in 2005 Israeli National League.

+ Spanish teams now start playing friendlies earlier.

+ All Ireland cup now uses refs from Ireland or N. Ireland.

+ European player awards tunning

+ Greek player of the year problem fixed.

+ Greek foreign player of the year problem fixed

+ Player winning more than one seasonal award fix

+ Attacking bias added to seasonal player awards.

+ Some fixes for managers withdrawing players from international friendlies

+ Australian players no longer win Asian awards.

+ Award winner news item appears after player thanks manager news item.

+ Fixed string error (australian pre match odds news) declaring league as being finished when it hasn't.

+ Fixed some fixture dates in England for non World Cup/Euro Championship years.

Match

+ When 2 human managers are playing each other in a match, the game now shows both team talk screens at the end of the match instead of just the one.

+ When a human changed the order of his penalty takers just before a shootout, the score would sometimes not be stored properly when the result gets processed.

+ Fixed a match screen crash which would sometimes happen after making quick tactic changes.

+ If a human manager leaves a match (goes on holiday, disconnects from network game, etc), the assistant manager will now make tactical changes in his place.

+ Fixed bug where the view menu on the tactics screen might be disabled for a second human manager on the same machine.

Transfers

+ Starting foreign loans are now not treated as domestic loans for English teams when counting the number of loans done so far.

+ Fixed bug where occassionally the game might forget to process a future transfer.

+ Fixed a bug where national teams would sometimes appoint a director as their new manager.

+ Players signed after a club has finished its season, now get put on holiday.

Mac Specific

+ Fixed some keyboard shortcuts in the help dialog.

+ Fixed possible problem with cpu idle when re-activating the application during a match.

+ Fixed Mac keyboard shortcut for Preferences to conform to standard Mac shortcut.

Assets

- ADDED Livingston player pictures

- Fixed Scott Thomson (Dunfermline) picture mapping to the wrong Scott Thomson

- ADDED Nottingham Forest player pictures

- Fixed Cardiff pictures (Darren Purse, Jeff Whitley, Joe Ledley and Neal Ardley)

- Fixed Stafford Rangers player pictures (Peter Thomson)

- Fixed Blackpool badge

- Fixed Rotherham kits not displaying

- Fixed Daejeon kits not displaying in first season

- Fixed Joao Goncalves FaceInTheGame picture

Data Editor

- Fixed potential crash on the squad screen

- Fixed manager preferred formations sometimes defaulting to 442

[Eddie]

Is there still an interest in starting a BRFCS league?

[Cocker]

Is there still an interest in starting a BRFCS league?

That remindes me - what happened to the pro evo comp we were going to do?

[Rovermatt]

I'm considering buying FM (though not before I upgrade my iMac and sit important exams at Christmas). Can someone please tell me the difference between FM and CM? Which is better, more comprehensive etc?

[BuckyRover]

Football Manager is the Pro Evolution of management games

Championship manager is the FIFA.

Make of that what you will

My best advice would be to download the demo's though. Football Manager definately has one, im sure Championship manager has one also.

[Oklahoma]

Just finished my first season with Benfica.

2nd in the league, won the cup and was eliminated By Barça in champions league.

Was offered a new 2 year deal, which I accepted.

Also managed to make more money for transfers and have as lot of money for wages ( I currently spend only a third of the total wage budget available).

[Eddie]

That remindes me - what happened to the pro evo comp we were going to do?

I'll happily do it if it is a tournament on the 360.

[Cocker]

I'll happily do it if it is a tournament on the 360.

Doh! I only have a ps2

[Shevchenko]

I'll happily do it if it is a tournament on the 360.

Yeah me too.

[Rovermatt]

Football Manager is the Pro Evolution of management games

Championship manager is the FIFA.

Make of that what you will

My best advice would be to download the demo's though. Football Manager definately has one, im sure Championship manager has one also.

So which would you recommend? Are there real players in CM?

[LeftWinger]

When you look at some of the fine detail they have to adjust - it's impossible for them to spot all bugs when they create the game.

+ Slovenian wages tuned.

+ Fixed Belgian lower divisions snapshot (displayed opening stage and not combined league).

+ Prize money removed from Serbia and Montenegro Cup.

+ Hong Kong AFC Playoff now gets scheduled once all of the domestic competitions have finished.

+ Greek player of the year problem fixed.

+ Greek foreign player of the year problem fixed

+ Australian players no longer win Asian awards.

- Fixed Stafford Rangers player pictures (Peter Thomson)

- Fixed Rotherham kits not displaying

- Fixed Daejeon kits not displaying in first season

- Fixed Joao Goncalves FaceInTheGame picture