[Archived] Benni Mccarthy - Gone

[thenodrog]

The Mail still on its own with the story about the £5m release clause

This looks to me like a grace and favour story where some journo is having his strings quietly pulled by another club? Does that ever happen Alan?

[philipl]

Times story

Good news: whopping big new contract for Benni

Good news: no mention of clauses

Total destruction of credibility: picture of Eastlands (or is that our new home when DW closes Ewood?)

[daren]

okaaaaay, that's very weird. It's tagged as a Manchester City story. Lets go burn the Times' office....

[Fife Rover]

Times story

Good news: whopping big new contract for Benni

Good news: no mention of clauses

Total destruction of credibility: picture of Eastlands (or is that our new home when DW closes Ewood?)

Hmmmmmm!!! Every time I click on that link I get a 404! :ph34r:

[daren]

HAHAHAHHA, the link was this.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle2183753.ece

but on the off chance, I changed the "manchester_city" part to "blackburn" to get this this url

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle2183753.ece

and it worked fine. Someone noticed the mistake!

Edit: the board doesn't like full links in plaintext and won't let me post it. sorry!

Edited August 3, 2007 by daren

[RevidgeBlue]

The Mail still on its own with the story about the £5m release clause

Irrespective of the release clause, Rovers are bound to look to renegotiate with Benni this season:

- reward for last season locked in plus an element of relativity

- he is of an age where 5 year contracts are becoming the norm because of the players' contract buy-out rights a year from the end of the deal.

The Mail aren't entirely on their own, Thursday's Sun reported that we have offered Benni a bumper new deal to try and keep him out of Chelsea's clutches.

(Without mentioning any clause)

The Sun article was very vague whereas the Mail has been very specific both as to the amount in the clause and when it takes effect. Out of the two I would tend to believe the Mail because of the detail provided.

My reading of the situation is, if we can't persuade Benni to agree to improved terms (minus the bloody clause) before the window shuts he'll be gone.

[tcj_jones]

Have to say I agree with Rev. This reminds me a lot of the Bellamy situation. We know there is a clause and the club are trying desperately to entice the player to sign before the end of the season, when they can leave on the cheap. Mind you, I doubt any top four club will want to take McCarthy, even if he does score 18 goals next season, and if McCarthy is stupid enough to join them, then so be it. If one of Derbyshire of Rigters comes good next season, we should be in good shape.

[Rover 'til I die]

My reading of the situation is, if we can't persuade Benni to agree to improved terms (minus the bloody clause) before the window shuts he'll be gone.

I don't understand a lot of our fans. I follow Rovers news evryday and at least once a week either Hughes or JW states that we are NOT selling McCarthy and yet some people don't belive them. Come on guys have some bloody faith in our club when they make statements.

[rebelmswar]

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?artic...ng_news__sport/

Interesting article about the South African national team and about Benni and thier relationship. Seems that there is a chance that he will not play for them in the upcoming games.

[Ricky]

What does interest me is comments Mark Hughes made a while ago.

It regsitered with me at the time, he was asked about release clauses and specifically said 'we don't thave to worry about release clauses this season' or something along those lines.

Just thought it was a bit of an odd answer at the time.

[den]

Blackburn are never likely to make that extra step to challenge for the Champions League places. Edited August 8, 2007 by den

[philipl]

It needs to be stressed that is an oipinion piece and does not include any new Benni quotes.

I am watching the Drogba injury with concern though. Another Chelsea forward getting crocked before 31 August and we will be sweating.

I guess a lot is going to hang on Rovers making a bright start to the campaign and then going for the new contract in September

[Fife Rover]

Blackburn are never likely to make that extra step to challenge for the Champions League places.

The way that article reads would suggest that it is at least a month old in spite of the date being given as the 8th of Aug. (References to"when the tranfer window opens" and to "McCarthy's most recent take on the situation".)

Edited August 8, 2007 by Fife Rover

[doctorryan]

This will all be over a week from tomorrow when he becomes cup-tied for European competitions.

[EwoodGlory]

I think it's only the Uefa cup he will be cup-tied for. He will still be able to be registered for the Champions League

[doctorryan]

I think it's only the Uefa cup he will be cup-tied for. He will still be able to be registered for the Champions League

Regulations of the

UEFA Champions League

Rule 17.07 Excluding the three rounds of the UEFA Intertoto Cup and the UEFA Super

Cup, and subject to paragraph 17.18 below, a player may not play UEFA

club competition matches for more than one competing club in the course of

the same season. A substitute player who is not fielded is entitled to play for

another club competing in the same season’s UEFA club competitions,

provided that he is registered with the UEFA administration in accordance

with the present Regulations.

Rule 17.17 For all matches from the start of the first knockout round, a club may register

a maximum of three new eligible players for the remaining matches in the

current competition. Such registration must be completed by

1 February 2008 at the latest. This deadline cannot be extended.

Rule 17.18 One player from the above quota of three who has played UEFA club

competition matches for another competing club in the current season may

exceptionally be registered, provided that the player has not been fielded:

− in the same competition for another club

− for another club that is currently in the same competition.

In other words; nobody could play him in the CL until the round of 16 if he plays on Thursday.

Edited August 8, 2007 by doctorryan

[Fife Rover]

Regulations of the

UEFA Champions League

Rule 17.07 Excluding the three rounds of the UEFA Intertoto Cup and the UEFA Super

Cup, and subject to paragraph 17.18 below, a player may not play UEFA

club competition matches for more than one competing club in the course of

the same season. A substitute player who is not fielded is entitled to play for

another club competing in the same season’s UEFA club competitions,

provided that he is registered with the UEFA administration in accordance

with the present Regulations.

Rule 17.17 For all matches from the start of the first knockout round, a club may register

a maximum of three new eligible players for the remaining matches in the

current competition. Such registration must be completed by

1 February 2008 at the latest. This deadline cannot be extended.

Rule 17.18 One player from the above quota of three who has played UEFA club

competition matches for another competing club in the current season may

exceptionally be registered, provided that the player has not been fielded:

− in the same competition for another club

− for another club that is currently in the same competition.

In other words; nobody could play him in the CL until the round of 16 if he plays on Thursday.

Watch out for Benni being unfit to play on Thursday then!

I am fully prepared to be called all kinds of a cynic, but as you can see from the above: I did expect this to happen!

In today's match at Boro, Benni apparently gets badly hurt with a head injury, and is on the ground recieving attention from medics and club doctor for about 5 mins. Then he is led off the pitch receiving oxygen and taken to hospital accompanied by the club doctor. But (surprise surprise) the hospital does not find much if anything wrong with him and he goes home on the coach with the rest of the team. A few years ago I slipped on some ice and banged my head causing me to lose concoiusness for a few seconds. I was taken to hospital although by then quite able to walk and talke sensibly. I was given a thorough examination at the hospital A&E and questioned to establish normal thinking etc. I was NOT allowed to go home but was kept in overnight and interviewed again the following day by a specialist before being allowed home. Compare that with Benni's experience today!

As I said in the previous post; Watch out for Benni being unfit to play on Thursday!!

Edited August 11, 2007 by Fife Rover

[rover2u]

Mcarthey has been an incredible asset for rovers but his morales seem to be on the same level as a starving, stray alley cat.

I remember his interviews in blackburns local rag when he first came to the club and when there was speculation regarding his future towards the end of last season.

When he arrived at the club he was full of praise for the club,his fellow players and championed us for a successful season. When he was being linked to other big clubs he said he was going to stay and repay rovers faith they showed in bringing him to the premiership. However he gave the national papers a slightly different slant on the subject and he appeared to be packing his bags to realise his "dream" of playing champions league football(dont forget youve already won the competition benni). In an ideal world id like santa cruz to take benni's place with his "special friend"jase the ace roberts,just so it would break his heart and in turn break benni.

[EwoodGlory]

In other words; nobody could play him in the CL until the round of 16 if he plays on Thursday.

Cheers for the info.

Glad I got that one wrong

[Wild Irish Rover]

Strikes me that whoever is responsible for negotiating contracts with players at the club should now begin point blank to refuse to include 'Release Clauses' in any future agreements. This is simply because there is no value in these clauses to the club (except of course to help persuade players to sign). The value is entirely stacked in the player's interest plus that of other 'bigger' clubs and unscrupulous agents. I mean, other than for Shearer, when has a release clause actually benefitted Rovers?

At the very least we should insist that the amounts required to invoke release clauses actually reflect footballing reality (i.e. the open market) perhaps by making it a requirement that arbitration is used to agree a fair market value for players before another club could make an approach. That way we would end this ridiculous situation where other clubs could attempt to asset strip the Rovers by implanting stories that unsettle our staff and set expectations far too low for their transfer value. I mean Benni McCarthy for £5 million in today's market - yeah, that sounds reasonable right??

We have seen far too many reminders of 'player power' in recent years and I feel that Rovers should be one of the first clubs to stand up and say "No More' If I sign a contract of employment, I don't have the luxury of a release clause - no, I am expected to HONOUR THE CONTRACT or renegotiate another.

So come on Benni, do the right thing

Rant over

[philipl]

Strikes me that whoever is responsible for negotiating contracts with players at the club should now begin point blank to refuse to include 'Release Clauses' in any future agreements. This is simply because there is no value in these clauses to the club (except of course to help persuade players to sign). The value is entirely stacked in the player's interest plus that of other 'bigger' clubs and unscrupulous agents. I mean, other than for Shearer, when has a release clause actually benefitted Rovers?

At the very least we should insist that the amounts required to invoke release clauses actually reflect footballing reality (i.e. the open market) perhaps by making it a requirement that arbitration is used to agree a fair market value for players before another club could make an approach. That way we would end this ridiculous situation where other clubs could attempt to asset strip the Rovers by implanting stories that unsettle our staff and set expectations far too low for their transfer value. I mean Benni McCarthy for £5 million in today's market - yeah, that sounds reasonable right??

We have seen far too many reminders of 'player power' in recent years and I feel that Rovers should be one of the first clubs to stand up and say "No More' If I sign a contract of employment, I don't have the luxury of a release clause - no, I am expected to HONOUR THE CONTRACT or renegotiate another.

So come on Benni, do the right thing

Rant over

Wow that was wide of the mark!!!!

(except of course to help persuade players to sign). Precisely

At the very least we should insist that the amounts required to invoke release clauses actually reflect footballing reality. By judicious use of clauses we acquired Bellamy for £3.7m and Benni (if a clause exists...) for £2.5m- of course the purchase prices were market reality...

when has a release clause actually benefitted Rovers? Getting £17m from Chelski plus remember Rovers have a history of activating far more release clauses with players at other clubs going back to the purchase of Bohinen

If you transfer at below market rate as a player, your cut of the transfer fee is correspondingly lower. So typically Agents negotiate some compensating benefit.

[Fife Rover]

Wow that was wide of the mark!!!!

(except of course to help persuade players to sign). Precisely

At the very least we should insist that the amounts required to invoke release clauses actually reflect footballing reality. By judicious use of clauses we acquired Bellamy for £3.7m and Benni (if a clause exists...) for £2.5m- of course the purchase prices were market reality...

when has a release clause actually benefitted Rovers? Getting £17m from Chelski plus remember Rovers have a history of activating far more release clauses with players at other clubs going back to the purchase of Bohinen

If you transfer at below market rate as a player, your cut of the transfer fee is correspondingly lower. So typically Agents negotiate some compensating benefit.

Some people are attracted to the smell of money like dogs to the smell of (insert your own word here). Animals both!

[USRoverME]

Besides, and aging striker with one year left on his contract, despite great performances, 5 million isn't THAT far off the mark, most likely.

[USRoverME]

Wow, I'm very upset at the typical wind up merchants and conspiracy theorists on here.

The same people whio claimed Nicko was a PR shill, have yet to sniff the TRUE conspiracy.

Benni is faking his injury in order to NOT play vs. MyPa so as to NOT get European cup tied and leave his options open to force a move the to the injury riddled Chelsea and/or ManU. Come-on, passing out like a minute AFTER the collision :ph34r:

Edited August 13, 2007 by USRoverME

[USABlue]

Come-on, passing out like a minute AFTER the collision :ph34r:

The amount of time it took him to figure out the possibilities?